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New PC Build for FSX\P3D

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Good afternoon,

 

After lurking these forums for a while, I though it was time to ask for suggestions on my new build. Currently, I'm looking for a system that's under $2000 CAD that can run FSX or P3D very well. 

 

I have looked on various sites regarding the best parts for FSX\P3D and tried to match the best I could for my budget. Here is my current parts list (In Canadian Dollars):

 

Intel Core i7-6700K Quad-Core Processor - $460.98

Corsair H80i GT Liquid CPU Cooler - $99.33

Asus Z170-A ATX LGA 1151 Motherboard - $207.25

G.Skill TridentZ Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory - $119.99

Crucial BX200 480GB 2.5" SSD - $154.99

EVGA Geforce GTX980 4GB Superclocked Video Card - $693.98

Corsair SPEC-01 RED ATX Mid Tower Case - $64.00

Corsair CX-750W 80+Modular Power Supply - $94.98

LG Standard DVD\CD Writer - $16.85

Asus Xonar DS 24bit 192KHz Sound Card 7.1 - $59.88  (Will try on-board sound first)

Asus PCE-N15 802.11b\g\n Wireless Card - $34.33

 

Total (CAD): $1932.57 (After mail-in rebate)

 

Now my questions is, are there any parts that I could possibly change in order to reduce the overall cost but, not affect performance? I know that it's difficult to say what the outcome will be since all systems are different. 

 

Any comments are welcome.

 

Thanks for your time. 

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Now my questions is, are there any parts that I could possibly change in order to reduce the overall cost

 

Asus Xonar DS 24bit 192KHz Sound Card 7.1 - $59.88

Asus PCE-N15 802.11b\g\n Wireless Card - $34.33

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Asus Xonar DS 24bit 192KHz Sound Card 7.1 - $59.88

Asus PCE-N15 802.11b\g\n Wireless Card - $34.33

 

Thanks for your reply Glynn.

 

Are these replaceable for a cheaper option? I'm looking to get 7.1 Audio and require a wireless network card. Do you have any suggestions? 

 

Thank you. 

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The Asus Z170-A ATX LGA 1151 already has pretty good on board 7.1 audio so you don't need to spend $60 on another Asus sound solution.

 

Audio Realtek® RTL892 8-channel high definition audio featuring Crystal Sound 3
- Separate layer for left and right track, ensuring both sound deliver equal quality
- Top notch audio sensation delivers according to the audio configuration
- Audio shielding ensures precise analog/digital separation and greatly reduced multi-lateral interference
- EMI protection cover to prevent electrical noise to affect the amplifier quality
- Audio Amplifier to enhance the highest quality sound for headphone and speakers
- Unique de-pop circuit to reduce start-up popping noise to audio outputs
- Premium Japan-made audio capacitors provides warm, natural, and immersive sound with exceptional clarity and fidelity
- Absolute Pitch 192khz/24bit true BD lossless sound
- DTS® Studio SoundTM
- DTS® Connect
- Supports jack-detection, multi-streaming, front panel jack-retasking (MIC)
- Optical S/PDIF out port at back I/O

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The Asus Z170-A ATX LGA 1151 already has pretty good on board 7.1 audio so you don't need to spend $60 on another Asus sound solution.

 

Audio Realtek® RTL892 8-channel high definition audio featuring Crystal Sound 3

- Separate layer for left and right track, ensuring both sound deliver equal quality

- Top notch audio sensation delivers according to the audio configuration

- Audio shielding ensures precise analog/digital separation and greatly reduced multi-lateral interference

- EMI protection cover to prevent electrical noise to affect the amplifier quality

- Audio Amplifier to enhance the highest quality sound for headphone and speakers

- Unique de-pop circuit to reduce start-up popping noise to audio outputs

- Premium Japan-made audio capacitors provides warm, natural, and immersive sound with exceptional clarity and fidelity

- Absolute Pitch 192khz/24bit true BD lossless sound

- DTS® Studio SoundTM

- DTS® Connect

- Supports jack-detection, multi-streaming, front panel jack-retasking (MIC)

- Optical S/PDIF out port at back I/O

 

Well, that's a relief. I always thought onboard audio wasn't as good as a dedicated sound card. I guess i'll give it a try and purchase a card afterwards if I feel it's not performing well enough. 

 

Thanks for the information. 

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TBH within $20 of your budget, this is what I'd do for a much more flexible and overclockable system.  Feel free to ask anything you'd like, my current build is very, very close to that.

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($460.98 @ DirectCanada) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($123.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($279.25 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($113.05 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card  ($641.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer  ($16.68 @ DirectCanada) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($34.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $2019.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-18 16:05 EDT-0400

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TBH within $20 of your budget, this is what I'd do for a much more flexible and overclockable system.  Feel free to ask anything you'd like, my current build is very, very close to that.

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($460.98 @ DirectCanada) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($123.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($279.25 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($113.05 @ DirectCanada) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 980 4GB Twin Frozr Video Card  ($641.98 @ Newegg Canada) 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer  ($16.68 @ DirectCanada) 
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WDN3800 802.11a/b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  ($34.88 @ Canada Computers) 
Total: $2019.01
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-18 16:05 EDT-0400

 

 

Thanks Max,

 

I'll take a look and reply back with any questions I have. 

 

Much appreciated!

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Hi Tino.

I live in Halifax, NS and am wanting to pull the trigger on a very similar set up.  Price point is right where I'm looking also.

Have you got your rig built yet?  Let us know how you like it please.

Best regards.

David Bell

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Hi Tino.

I live in Halifax, NS and am wanting to pull the trigger on a very similar set up.  Price point is right where I'm looking also.

Have you got your rig built yet?  Let us know how you like it please.

Best regards.

David Bell

 

I built myself this system, which is very close:

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($465.03 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($130.17 @ DirectCanada) 
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($299.72 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($104.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($257.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($208.92 @ DirectCanada) 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer  ($18.97 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $1853.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-01 11:44 EDT-0400
 
I kept my GTX970 that I will replace with a 1080 if it's what I'm looking for.
 
Runs very cool and stable at 4.5GHz, but I'll push to 4.8 at least (bought the Intel performance plan just for that).
 
It's an absolute beast of a system, it's perfect.

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I built myself this system, which is very close:

 

 
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($465.03 @ Amazon Canada) 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i GTX 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  ($130.17 @ DirectCanada) 
Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($299.72 @ Vuugo) 
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($104.98 @ DirectCanada) 
Storage: Samsung 950 PRO 256GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($257.97 @ Newegg Canada) 
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($208.92 @ DirectCanada) 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSC0 DVD/CD Writer  ($18.97 @ DirectCanada) 
Total: $1853.04
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-01 11:44 EDT-0400
 
I kept my GTX970 that I will replace with a 1080 if it's what I'm looking for.
 
Runs very cool and stable at 4.5GHz, but I'll push to 4.8 at least (bought the Intel performance plan just for that).
 
It's an absolute beast of a system, it's perfect.

 

 

Hi Max.

Did you build it or have a business build it for you?  Overclocked yourself?  I don't have any experience in building a computer and would prefer to have someone who knows what they are doing to get the most out of the rig.  With those specs, what would you suggest I do as far as looking for someone professional to do the build?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards.

David Bell

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Don't forget David, all of us were in the same postion as you at one time.

 

If you ever want to be capable of building a PC there's always a first time.

 

Some people aren't technically minded though and wish to avoid such things.

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I will never understand why people continue to buy this, well, overprized all-in-one watercooling solutions. A proper noctua air cooler is almost as good as at least an H100, yet it is less expensive and you do not have to replace the stock fans. Most people also complain about the noise of the water pump after one year of use or they complain about the noise of the fans mounted to the radiators directly after installing it. Yes, for overclocking, an all-in-one cooling solution from the H100 upwards offers some advantages over a good quality air cooling solution and you do not have to bother about the RAM installation, but besides that, no, no reason for those cooling solutions.

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I will never understand why people continue to buy this, well, overprized all-in-one watercooling solutions. A proper noctua air cooler is almost as good as at least an H100, yet it is less expensive and you do not have to replace the stock fans. Most people also complain about the noise of the water pump after one year of use or they complain about the noise of the fans mounted to the radiators directly after installing it. Yes, for overclocking, an all-in-one cooling solution from the H100 upwards offers some advantages over a good quality air cooling solution and you do not have to bother about the RAM installation, but besides that, no, no reason for those cooling solutions.

Yep, I'm with you there. We're on the same page.

 

You do realize that a multitude of AIO fans could possibly arrive and kick are arse's for saying so, as we all love to defend our choices. :smile:

 

Seriously though, much of it is about good marketing. Yes, one or two of the top of the range AIO coolers, like the H110, manage to cool better than the Noctua at similar noise levels. But on the other hand, many of them are a bit of a cheat, as they come equipped with high RPM noisy fans. Whereas the NH-D15 cools great with slower RPM quiet fans. For that reason, when comparing AIO's to the Noctua or any air cooler, we should eliminate the fan variable and just consider the heat sink thermal efficiency. We can all install any fans we like.

 

When we do that, not many AIO's beat the Noctua. No pump to fail, not pump to become noisy, zero chance of leaks and no moving parts.

 

And if you do mange to cool your CPU a few degrees cooler with an AIO, what does that get you? A 100 MHz higher overclock? Two hundred MHz? Perhaps three? Which translates to two or three frames per second in games.

 

Yes, for overclocking, an all-in-one cooling solution from the H100 upwards offers some advantages over a good quality air cooling solution and you do not have to bother about the RAM installation, but besides that, no, no reason for those cooling solutions.

 

To be honest we don't have to worry too much about RAM installation either now. Now that the NH-D15S has been released. Much better RAM clearance. Not that super tall RAM heat sinks have a purpose. Super tall RAM heat sinks are a gimmick. Again, a marketing ploy.

 

Another point is that if an AIO fails your CPU overheats and shuts down. If an NH-D 15 fan fails as long as you aren't stressing the CPU Heavily, it continues to cool pasively.

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Don't forget David, all of us were in the same postion as you at one time.

 

If you ever want to be capable of building a PC there's always a first time.

 

Some people aren't technically minded though and wish to avoid such things.

 

Thanks for the encouragement.  But the last two reply just went over my head. :shok: I will continue to do research and figure out what to do.

Best regards.

David bell

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Hi to all,

My current desktop setup is:

CPU intel Dual Core 2 Duo E7600(3,06GHz) overclocked to 3,57GHz LGA775

RAM DDR2 3GB 800MHZ

GPU PALIT GTX750 2GB

Its running FSX at about 12-15FPS and I'd like a better performance...

 

Is it worth to change to LGA1150 Intel Pentium G3460 3,5GHz with RAM 4GB 1600MHz and SSD(Operating Systema and FSX in same partition) ???

 

Thanks a lot

 

P.S.(If you have a better suggestion pls tell me , but not expensive...:))

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No, it is not worth to make such a "small" change. The G3460 is also a dual core CPU and running basically at the same clock speeds as yours do now. If I remember correctly, you can overclock the G3460 pretty well, but honestly, I would not go for a pure dual core without HT anymore, no matter how cheap it is.

 

In my eyes, the cheapest possible upgrade option you have is: an Intel i3-6100 (comes with HT), a decent H110/B150 motherboard that offers you the connectors you want plus 2x4GB DDR4 2133MHz RAM plus the SSD you already mentioned. Below, I would never go, it won't be an upgrade for FSX then...

 

If you can afford it, replacing the i3 with an i5-6400 would be the next step up, the i5 offers less clock speed per core but four real cores. For FSX, the i3 might even be better, for P3D the i5 would be the choice.

 

Another step up would then be the i5-6600K together with a Z170 motherboard and a good air cooling solution. This would allow you to go up beyond 4.0GHz per core. But I guess this is then definitely beyond your budget...

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If you go cheap G3258, the G3460 is not unlocked your stuck with bclk from 100-103 nothing .

G3258 is unlocked OC between 4.2-5.0 at 5ghz it performs like 2700k with same clock but slightly higher texture loadtimes.

But if you run FSX steam with not much addons it run nice.

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Ok, it was me that was simply wrong in regard to FSX, I have to apologize. Seems to be pretty decent for FSX regarding FSMark11. However, I have no experience with this benchmark and I can not say if the results of the benchmark is representative of what you see inside FSX, this you certainly now better. Why I have my doubts: you get an min. FPS of 30.7, max. FPS of 67.0 and an average FPS of 50. Compared to an i7-6700K runnning at 4.5GHz that gets a min. FPS of 39.0, max. FPS of 74.0 and an average of 54.2. Are you really sure that you can apply the FSMark11 results to reality? I guess this is only valid for a FSX installation without a single addon, no? Strange...

 

Anyway, in most other scenarios, the i3 would remain the better pick, and even in your FSMark11, it is not a lot worse compared to a G3258, considering the fact that it was running with 1GHz lower clockspeed compared to your G3258 run: http://www.avsim.com/topic/329116-fsxmark11/page-50#entry3376271 (also considering that this guy was using a AMD R7 270...)

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If you look at spreadsheet all SandyBridge 4.8-5.2 have a min fps of approx 29-31 fps.

Its the Ipc of the Skylake that shine, fsmark 11 is CPU bound with modern gpu.s

A 2700k at 5.4ghz is cpubound with a 580 but a +4.5 6700k is GPU bound with the 580.

The G3258 is a Haswell better Ipc than a Sandy , the G3248 run the main Tread in FSX faster.

The texture load time is not as fast as an I5 or I7.

6700k at 5.0ghz is close to GPU bound in FSMark11 with a 980 you need 980ti to be CPU bound

 

Its relevant in realworld FSX , look back all the most have standard CPU.s ar all the fastest in FSXMark11

2600k 2700k, 3770k, 4770k 4790k and the 6700k the only strange thing is 3960x 4960x 5960x very few results no one with a 1000usd CPU want to publish a worse result tha the little brother.

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