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Wrote a dissertation on the 748 and a380. Great machines, but the industry is losing the need for them. I got a Distinction if anyone was wondering.

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Wrote a dissertation on the 748 and a380. Great machines, but the industry is losing the need for them. I got a Distinction if anyone was wondering.

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Wrote a dissertation on the 748 and a380. Great machines, but the industry is losing the need for them. I got a Distinction if anyone was wondering.

With crowded skys, the last thing we need is for more a/c with smaller capacity on long haul. While the 747 and A380 are very large, they do move large numbers of people in less aircraft movements, which I am sure the ATC people prefer.

I suppose there has to be some trade off where pax numbers do not economically fill a 747/A380.

 

Maybe airports need to remove curfews so that aircraft movements are better spread out 

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Maybe airports need to remove curfews so that aircraft movements are better spread out 

 

A couple problems with that:

NIMBYs

...and NIMBYs buying houses next to airports.

 

...carrying along with the theme, that's what I wrote my capstone ('dissertation' for a generic bachelor's degree) on: compatible land use and zoning.

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A couple problems with that:

NIMBYs

...and NIMBYs buying houses next to airports.

 

...carrying along with the theme, that's what I wrote my capstone ('dissertation' for a generic bachelor's degree) on: compatible land use and zoning.

I have no patience with the NIMBY airport noise people. So an aircraft makes a noise for a 30 seconds or so. I have more problem with my neighbors mowing and whipper snipping and then blowing grass clippings about for several hours at a time.Seems like one stops and another starts.Now that really is annoying.

 

I live on final for YBBN 01. A/C on the glide slope pass over my house at approx. 1200 feet when on approach and when 2000+ when departing, (other than QFA15. She(747) is always about 1000-1200 feet when departing, because full of fuel for the YBBN-KLAX flight, she is heavy. Gorgeous sound.... I hear A/C approaching from a long distance, sort of rumble, then for a very short time, the actual jet roar when over head. But, it is still quieter than the local mower brigade.  

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I have no patience with the NIMBY airport noise people. So an aircraft makes a noise for a 30 seconds or so. I have more problem with my neighbors mowing and whipper snipping and then blowing grass clippings about for several hours at a time.Seems like one stops and another starts.Now that really is annoying.

 

I live on final for YBBN 01. A/C on the glide slope pass over my house at approx. 1200 feet when on approach and when 2000+ when departing, (other than QFA15. She(747) is always about 1000-1200 feet when departing, because full of fuel for the YBBN-KLAX flight, she is heavy. Gorgeous sound.... I hear A/C approaching from a long distance, sort of rumble, then for a very short time, the actual jet roar when over head. But, it is still quieter than the local mower brigade.  

 

It's kinda funny to get my grandmother all spun up about it. She can't stand them (the NIMBYs - she loves planes).

 

I live right under the east side downwind for IAD, so I get a decent amount of traffic. I spent my high school years right under IAD's final approach courses to the 1s, and my parents live down on that side, too. I love it. Some people hate it. I get that...but...you know...don't put your house there...haha.

 

Caught my dad complaining about a departure being low over the house (in the summer - it was hot, and the plane was bound for the EU, so it was likely pretty heavy). I mentioned that he'd had his house built a mere 3 miles from the departure end of the runway, and reminded him that he grew up in the area and knew the airport had been there since he was a kid. Nearly got grounded for that one  :P

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I'd love to read those reports! I've been into zoning since playing SimCity 2000 way back when. I am about 1-2 miles off the final for rwy 31r at KCIC. It can get noisy around the time of the airshow or around fire season. Most of the time it isn't an issue at all. Those leaf blowers and mowers thou. Don't they know I am just going to bed after a 15 hour 777 flight? How rude!

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It's kinda funny to get my grandmother all spun up about it. She can't stand them (the NIMBYs - she loves planes).

 

I live right under the east side downwind for IAD, so I get a decent amount of traffic. I spent my high school years right under IAD's final approach courses to the 1s, and my parents live down on that side, too. I love it. Some people hate it. I get that...but...you know...don't put your house there...haha.

 

Caught my dad complaining about a departure being low over the house (in the summer - it was hot, and the plane was bound for the EU, so it was likely pretty heavy). I mentioned that he'd had his house built a mere 3 miles from the departure end of the runway, and reminded him that he grew up in the area and knew the airport had been there since he was a kid. Nearly got grounded for that one  :P

Yeah. Its always fun to see people argue about living near airports. I live right under one of the main stars for 22L in Copenhagen. The previous owners of the house used to stand in the garden shouting at the planes (Yes they were a bit weird). Used to get a fair few 747s in the morning with cargo but not anymore. I do get A330s and A340s galore though

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The previous owners of the house used to stand in the garden shouting at the planes (Yes they were a bit weird).

 

Alle mine danske venner er lidt mærkelig.

 

...don't tell them that, though...  :P

 

 

 


Used to get a fair few 747s in the morning with cargo but not anymore.

 

Really? That's cool. I thought the last 74s to operate out of there were the (really) old SAS ones, but I never thought of cargo. Who operated out of there, do you recall? CLX and DHL?

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Until 2013 Thai Airways had 747-400 for the EKCH-VTBS (and ESSA-VTBS) route(s).

In 2013 they changed to 777-300s.

 

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Until 2013 Thai Airways had 747-400 for the EKCH-VTBS (and ESSA-VTBS) route(s).
In 2013 they changed to 777-300s.

 

Interesting. I guess that makes sense. I saw a Thai 744 at ESSA a while back when I flew into there. Last time I was in KBH, though, it was all Airbuses, MDs and Dashes.

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Surely the lowest form of life.

 

 

...and NIMBYs buying houses next to airports.

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Yeah Thai used to operate the 744 but did indeed swap it for the 77W. On my last trip to London I was boarding a small JetTime 738 and the Thai 77W pulled in next to us. Holy cow that really put into perspective how massive it is.

 

CPH still feels weird with all the MD80s gone and the Emirates A380 at the end of the C pier.

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I love the NIMBY stuff. It's always cracked me up. I grew up under the approaches at MSP... I went through a little phase where despite being two thousand miles from the nearest fault line I was terrified of volcanoes (I went through a similar thing after Jurassic Park came out.) and I'd lay in bed terrified thinking a volcano was erupting in my backyard when the NWA 747s and DC-10s would come by. Planes got a lot quieter, since then, though, and I was far enough away that in the area now you really can't hear anything anymore.

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Living near NAS Whidbey Island we have a LOT of that here. NIMBYs are a minority here but a VERY vocal one! They have been caught lying so many times!

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Ah!  NSA Whidbey, "The Sound of Freedom!"  Nothing like an the sound of an EA-6B Prowler taking off to get your attention.  :o)

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We don't have them anymore, been replaced with EA-18Gs but those J52s would sure rattle a window or two! Starting to get P-8As now which are cool to see on the flight line and flying around.

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I was near Ramstein AB (W. Germany near Kaiserslautern) in the 70's, in the day of the F-104 and F-4's..., and there is nothing subtle about a Phantom launching in a Zulu Alert.  Most of the locals understood exactly why and they endured the "sound of freedom."  Times have changed.

 

In comparison, the E-4 NEACP (a highly modified B742) at Offutt AFB NE (near Omaha) was almost silent compared to the KC-135's in the day their turbojets still burned water on takeoff.. they were called water wagons.  Not only loud but for a long time because it seemed like it took full minuets for the heavily loaded beasts to get up to 80 kts and then they finally started to accelerate.  The local residents in Bellevue just shrugged and enjoyed a vibrant economy that the base brought to South Omaha.

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I live right under the east side downwind for IAD, so I get a decent amount of traffic. I spent my high school years right under IAD's final approach courses to the 1s, and my parents live down on that side, too. I love it. Some people hate it. I get that...but...you know...don't put your house there...haha.

 

Oddly enough, I live beneath 19R's approach at IAD and really, the only time air traffic can get annoying is on a Sunday evening when the heavies leave and you're trying to hear the TV.  Great for planespotting though. :)

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My first deployment to Japan the JASDF was still flying their F-4EJs out of Misawa. Those were bad @$$ to watch. Defiantly a satisfying sound to hear!

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Oddly enough, I live beneath 19R's approach at IAD and really, the only time air traffic can get annoying is on a Sunday evening when the heavies leave and you're trying to hear the TV.  Great for planespotting though. :)

I lived on the 08/26 Approach/Departure path to Stapleton in the 70's, and it was a planespotter's paradise! Sitting on the little hill in front of our house, I used to watch 747's, DC-10's, L-1011's and the like all take off and come in for Landings. The 747 looked like it would just hang there in the air, its 4 engines and their unmistakable whine...

 

Alan   :smile:

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With crowded skys, the last thing we need is for more a/c with smaller capacity on long haul. While the 747 and A380 are very large, they do move large numbers of people in less aircraft movements, which I am sure the ATC people prefer.

I suppose there has to be some trade off where pax numbers do not economically fill a 747/A380.

 

Maybe airports need to remove curfews so that aircraft movements are better spread out 

 

 

I'm curious!

 

 

In simple terms, the airline industry economics nowadays is such that it's more economical to fly 767/777/787/A330/A350 between destinations using 2-3 flights a day as opposed to one fully loaded 747/A380 trip a day or couple times a week. The demand for air travel prefers flexibility and likes having several flights for a particular destination available in one day. A half full 777 doesn't cost the airline as much as a half full A380.

 

With that said, the next big hit on the commercial jet market is the 787 and A350, whose shorter and extended variants offer that flexibility the industry sorely needs. 747and A380 sized jets are more suited to cargo. Hope this simplified explanation helps

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In talking to sales and marketing guys at my work, it seems the "hub and spoke" model is a thing of the past as travelers would rather fly non stop rather than having to stop somewhere just to catch another flight to their ultimate destination. This along with the challenges of having a high load factor on large capacity jets is the reason why the B747 and A380 will face many challenges in securing more sales especially when the fuel prices start rising. The model that many more airlines are pursuing is "long and skinny" where you carry less passengers on longer route flights. What the airlines found is now with an aircraft like the 787, they can be profitable on routes such as nonstop Shenyang to San Jose (China Southern) or non New Orleans to London (British Airways), routes which no one could have imagined with the large capacity, four engine guzzlers.

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