On The Fence... STILL

[Richard Sennett 2,499]

I just don't think the coding hooks are there in X-Plane's native code to get detailed weather like AS16 can do with the ESP engine, at least that's the rumor I read.   You would think that weather would have been their 2nd priority after flight modeling because it's a HUGE factor in flying but it seems to be the red headed stepchild of X-Plane.

 

Xenviro is doing it from outside of sim so well see how far they can push it - to soon - have to wait until end of March I guess - waiting on LR to tidy it up so at least we can get some of it sorted out - for me no going back - I favor the realistic look of XP11 and can for see where it will go and will be worth the wait - luv the Jardesign A320 works well for a beta and looks great 

[Kuragiman 227]

Xenviro is doing it from outside of sim so well see how far they can push it - to soon - have to wait until end of March I guess - waiting on LR to tidy it up so at least we can get some of it sorted out - for me no going back - I favor the realistic look of XP11 and can for see where it will go and will be worth the wait - luv the Jardesign A320 works well for a beta and looks great 

 

I have been eyeballing it hard.... I have all the Aerosoft Airbuses but never flew them once in any great attempt to learn... the BS hoops I had to jump through to get the throttles to work in Prepar3D just turned me off.   The Jardesign one looks pretty stunning and with the Blue Star soundpack SOUNDS stunning as well.    As I have whined about earlier, I wish there was a 737-700/800 with that level of detail in X-Plane 11's library.    Seems like we will have to wait a LONG time for PMDG to bring over theirs.

 

The ATC system needs are major MAJOR face lift too.    I played with X-Life for AI and it KIND of works... but the frame cost is WAY to great because the sim is literally flying every single one of those AI planes which eats up major CPU cycle times.

 

I think the only payware solution for ATC in X-Plane is Pilot2ATC?

[Paraffin 2,197]

I just don't think the coding hooks are there in X-Plane's native code to get detailed weather like AS16 can do with the ESP engine, at least that's the rumor I read.   You would think that weather would have been their 2nd priority after flight modeling because it's a HUGE factor in flying but it seems to be the red headed stepchild of X-Plane.

 

Weather is a pet peeve of mine, especially with regard to thunderstorms (which X-Plane can't model without vertical convection). But I do think it's worth pointing out that X-Plane models some of the non-visual weather effects in aviation like in-flight icing, and braking effects on dry vs. icy or wet runways. There was an indication in a dev blog that we might get more realistic modeling of ocean and shoreline waves within the XP11 cycle, which is another component of weather and important for seaplane ops.

 

If we're looking ahead to future developments, Austin recently mentioned in an interview that he realizes X-Plane needs a 3D weather model instead of what it's doing now. This was mentioned along with his goal for procedural season effects like snow blowing across runways, trees dropping leaves in Autumn, and so on. This would presumably tie in with the weather engine.

 

So I guess we'll get better weather eventually. It just may take a few more years (sigh). And probably a few computer upgrade cycles on the user side. Right now I can get a comfortable 40+ fps on my current CPU/GPU. If I got everything I wanted in a new weather system built into X-Plane, I probably wouldn't be running these frame rates on this same hardware. 

[Richard Sennett 2,499]

I have been eyeballing it hard.... I have all the Aerosoft Airbuses but never flew them once in any great attempt to learn... the BS hoops I had to jump through to get the throttles to work in Prepar3D just turned me off.   The Jardesign one looks pretty stunning and with the Blue Star soundpack SOUNDS stunning as well.    As I have whined about earlier, I wish there was a 737-700/800 with that level of detail in X-Plane 11's library.    Seems like we will have to wait a LONG time for PMDG to bring over theirs.

 

The ATC system needs are major MAJOR face lift too.    I played with X-Life for AI and it KIND of works... but the frame cost is WAY to great because the sim is literally flying every single one of those AI planes which eats up major CPU cycle times.

 

I think the only payware solution for ATC in X-Plane is Pilot2ATC?

 

No issues with throttles in Jardesign version had tons with Aerosoft dont miss that - BSS pack is awesome Jar A320 works nice but you cant just take it up it gets wonky you have to load up your fms plan and fill out need info for it to work proper

 

Dont dabble with atc much they never work so I dont bother

 

Loaded x-life for about 1 min uninstalled it - I think LR will be offering better AI but not sure

 

I have P2ATC just installed it yesterday for XP havent tried it yet but should work pretty good - check out some XP videos on it - great support and always being updated

I have been eyeballing it hard

 

I would assume you know this - .org purchase is not the version you want to load if you bought A320 etc. - you want to go here to download XP11 betas also keep in mind betas of your other Jar products are here I have a bunch of them myself - you should upload your ground handling work in the liveries section in the forum 

 

http://jardesign.org/forum/index.php

[uwespeed 497]

It slowly grows on me.    Still not using it often for day flights.   Lack of a proper FMC, detailed 737-700/800 and a mediocre weather system at best (xEnviro in effect at the moment) are still keeping me split between sims.   But... I have shown X-Plane some love and purchased xEnviro, Tug Master Deluxe and Ground Handling.   Spent a couple hours designing my own ground services package for the modified 737-800.  I am pleased with the results.

 

I think the most annoying thing about the default FMC in the Default 737-800 is that you can't properly change waypoints on the fly.    Like last night while trying to make my first X-Plane video...  the simulator made me look like a moron because I couldn't get out of the Vector waypoint that was on my depature SID.   No matter what I tried it just kept saying INVALID SELECTION in the scratchpad.  I finally gave up.    It's a pretty simple FMC function that is completly hosed in X-Plane 11.     You select the waypoint you want to go to then you select the waypoint you are on and EXEC and the flight plan is updated accordingly.    The default FMC DOES NOT do this... even in the Direct Route page when the waypoint you are on is Vectors..... -_-   

 

Well ... try all this stuff in the default FMC of FSX and report back :wink:.

 

Seriously - default is default and thus hasn't the functionality of a full blown FMC. There is e.g. X-FMC (donationware) and UFMC (payware) - these might help.

[Richard Sennett 2,499]

Well ... try all this stuff in the default FMC of FSX and report back :wink:.

 

Seriously - default is default and thus hasn't the functionality of a full blown FMC. There is e.g. X-FMC (donationware) and UFMC (payware) - these might help.

 

Amazes me how much useful software is free for XP 

[Kuragiman 227]

Amazes me how much useful software is free for XP 

 

Indeed.   The new RAAS that just came out the other day is amazingly well done.  Pretty much on par with FS2CREW's RAAS PRO.

 

I think the freeware scene though has it's one big draw back.  Because of the freeware scene, the pros who REALLY know how to make these payware quality add-ons, planes and scenery are very weary to try and support the platform I think because who is going to want to buy stuff if you can get a semi decent version of something for free?   Not everyone can be a MisterX when making airports.  I wish there were more MisterX's out there.  Most of the freeware airports I have grabbed are decent but not quite up to payware standards and I'm that guy who WILL buy every single payware airport I fly to if its out there.    Cold feet from the pro's does not help X-Plane grow.

[Richard Sennett 2,499]

Indeed.  

 

Speaking of the man - he has a new scenery coming out KSLC  :wink:

[godimaginedme 25]

I have been eyeballing it hard.... I have all the Aerosoft Airbuses but never flew them once in any great attempt to learn... the BS hoops I had to jump through to get the throttles to work in Prepar3D just turned me off.   The Jardesign one looks pretty stunning and with the Blue Star soundpack SOUNDS stunning as well.    As I have whined about earlier, I wish there was a 737-700/800 with that level of detail in X-Plane 11's library.    Seems like we will have to wait a LONG time for PMDG to bring over theirs.

 I just got the A320, and though it's not quite there yet, it's definitely study level. It flies well, but doesn't simulate some emergency situations i.e. engine fire as the bottles are inop. Overall though, it's a good plane. The sound addon is pretty good too. Since the plane is still beta, there are some things that need tweaking, like if you want to do a single engine taxi, you need A LOT of power to get moving. Reading through the forums, it looks like JAR is working with a couple of real world A3xx pilots, so it has a bright future. For now, my three go-to airliners are the default 737 with Zibo's mod, the FF 767, and the JAR. Waiting on an update for the Rotate MD-80, but that won't come out until XPL is out of beta. 

[richie894 45]

Interesting about the A320. I have read some bad things about it. But recently there seems to be a lot of love for it and a lot of streamers seem to be flying it. I guess there has been some good updates.

[alpha12125 213]

Indeed.   The new RAAS that just came out the other day is amazingly well done.  Pretty much on par with FS2CREW's RAAS PRO.

 

I think the freeware scene though has it's one big draw back.  Because of the freeware scene, the pros who REALLY know how to make these payware quality add-ons, planes and scenery are very weary to try and support the platform I think because who is going to want to buy stuff if you can get a semi decent version of something for free?   Not everyone can be a MisterX when making airports.  I wish there were more MisterX's out there.  Most of the freeware airports I have grabbed are decent but not quite up to payware standards and I'm that guy who WILL buy every single payware airport I fly to if its out there.    Cold feet from the pro's does not help X-Plane grow.

 

i dont think there is that big drawback to be honest.

 

If the "pro's" release something, it will always be bought considering it is better.  Look at the FSLABS A320, allthough the aerosoft a320 is not bad by any stretch. it is just better and people precieve the price to be worth paying.

 

Now regarding MisterX, i guess he made the x-plane base realize that the fsx/p3d scenery culture is not something to aspire. If someone can put out 2-4 airports a year as a hobby in his past time that each one would sell at least for 30$ on fsx/p3d then the value/price ratio is not really on point.

 

That beeing said good made airports still sell nice, beti x recent airport is a good expample.  I guess alot of orbx nice regional airports would sell nice aswell. It all boils down to is it worth spending money on.

 

In FSX/P3D you dont have a choice, either buy it or leave it. In X-Plane you have sort of a market that developers have to face. Is it only significantly better then the freeware ? Well i might not sel it well.

Interesting about the A320. I have read some bad things about it. But recently there seems to be a lot of love for it and a lot of streamers seem to be flying it. I guess there has been some good updates.

it will always have it's quirks and problems. its inherently the way JAR develops his planes. It is largely driven by what is interesting for him atm.

 

there are two types of people which will define wether you like the jar or not.

 

1) the airbus type:  basically you want to fly the a320 like you fly the real airbus and you are adament that it should function that way. you will get super annoyed that functions like the fmc are not dead stable or things dont get fixed during updates, or fixed bugs reapear in newer versions.

 

This person will hate the JAR

 

2) the improviser:  basically you adapt your flying style to the plane, you know what works in the plane and what doesnt. you use what works and accept the rest. you realize that more then two dir-to inflight will most likely kill your fmc or LNAV/VNAV and changing the approach last minute is always a bag of suprises Basically when that happens you just smack on heading and v/s and work your way around it, land the plane and are happy.

 

This person will love the JAR

 

 

I think this will acurately describe the different reactions you always get for this plane. It has a lot of potential but always wears its shortcommings proud on its chest

[rototom 198]

 

 

more then two dir-to inflight will most likely kill your fmc or LNAV/VNAV and changing the approach last minute is always a bag of suprises

 

This reminded me of the Captain Sim stuff for FSX. It was pretty nice looking stuff, but the FMC's were always around 90-95% complete, so I gave up on them. It always made for a frustrating experience. I don't expect study level sims, but I do expect what is there to work, otherwise it's hard to know if its you doing something wrong or the airplane.

 

My experience with the JAR A330 has been good so far. I've been thinking of getting the 320, but your comment makes me think I'll be dealing with an unfinished product...but maybe someday.

[Pugilist2 878]

I have always enjoyed flying the JAR A320 and A330.  Hands down the best Airbus for XPL in my opinion. 

 

Hope to see an A380 after the A340.

[alpha12125 213]

This reminded me of the Captain Sim stuff for FSX. It was pretty nice looking stuff, but the FMC's were always around 90-95% complete, so I gave up on them. It always made for a frustrating experience. I don't expect study level sims, but I do expect what is there to work, otherwise it's hard to know if its you doing something wrong or the airplane.

 

My experience with the JAR A330 has been good so far. I've been thinking of getting the 320, but your comment makes me think I'll be dealing with an unfinished product...but maybe someday.

well they are sharing largely the same codebase  regarding the fmc functionality. and to hold it up to him he does port advantages back and forth between each plane.

I have always enjoyed flying the JAR A320 and A330.  Hands down the best Airbus for XPL in my opinion. 

 

Hope to see an A380 after the A340.

the next plane is the a319, then the a340 and then in 10 years maybe and a380

[Kuragiman 227]

Please....  help me... .the ATC is just.. retarded....   Yeah.. let's circle around KOKC after takeoff because my SID starting point is not good enough for you....  is there ANY solution for ATC?   Richard, did you try out Pilot2ATC yet?   This ATC with an IQ of 40 is kill'n me bro!