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Virtualcol CRJ lack of drag in flight

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I jumped on the Virtualcol CRJ as soon as I saw that it was available. I am very impressed by the increase in the quality of the VC and external textures, and the massive pack of liveries provided.

One thing I noticed, and this was brought up by someone else in another thread, is that the aircraft is way too "hot" in the air. By this, I mean that there is very little bleed off of speed when retarding the throttles. I have no idea if the actual aircraft is in fact like this, but I find it unacceptable in a sim aircraft.

 

Sooooooooooooo...

 

I went into the aircraft.cfg and did some experimentation. Conducting test flights out of Edwards AFB, I cmae up with 2 simple tweaks that help quite a bit. These are:

 

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar     =1.80000
parasite_drag_scalar   =1.0

 

After backing up your original file, change to

[flight_tuning]
cruise_lift_scalar     =0.90000
parasite_drag_scalar   =2.50000

 

I like this a lot better. You can actually lose airspeed while descending if you want to. Big difference.

I have only tried this in the -200, but I would think that it should work in the other versions as well. Please report back if you decide to try it out!

 

Russ

 

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Hey thanks. Will give this a go on the 200 first!

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Never purchased a Virtualcol product before. Knew it would probably NOT be good.

Did not think it would be this bad. WoW!

 

 

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4 minutes ago, bill62 said:

Never purchased a Virtualcol product before. Knew it would probably NOT be good.

Did not think it would be this bad. WoW!

 

 

It all depends on your expectations, I guess. I have some of the FPS killer planes as well, and I have to say that I am leaning more and more towards frame rates at the expense of eye candy and system depth. In addition to the CRJ, I  have the Virtualcol Dash 8 and  E-Jets, and the more I fly them, the more I like them. I haven't touched the NGX in a month now, and I haven't missed it.

But, it's all a matter of opinion, of course...

 

Russ

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I can respect that. I'm trying to merge the plane with other air files to make it flyable. Currently flying at 300 knots for 15 minutes with throttle pegging 0 is killing my buzz.  There's hope.

 

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One of the nice things you can do with Virtualcol aeroplanes, is soup the avionics up a lot with Ernie Alston's Integrated SimAvionics if you are missing stuff like complicated FMCs and such, and then you can have something with great frame rates which has very realistic systems too.

There is no getting away from the fact that Virtualcol's add-ons are not spectacular in the VC, but when you have all kinds of other add-ons running and you've crammed every fancy bit of eye-candy imaginable into your base sim, those better frame rates on the Virtualcol aeroplanes start to offset the less than stellar-looking cockpits. It's why I've bought quite a few of their aeroplanes even though I have many PMDGs, A2As, FSLs etc.

I appreciate the realism of those fancier sim aeroplanes of course, but there have been plenty of times where I've been coming into a fancy payware add-on airport, over photorealistic terrain with autogen over the top of it and AI airliners all over the place, and not had to worry about the sim turning into a slideshow or dinging that OOM sound as you try to get the wheels on the ground before the sim crashes out, because I know the Virtualcol ATR42 or Shorts 360 is not taxing my computer at all whereas something like the FlySimWare LearJet or the FSL Airbus A320 would have either bombed the sim the moment lined up for the ILS, or started dropping those frame rates considerably. Now of course we've less chance of an OOM with the advent of 64 bit sims, but smooth frame rates are still something which a more modest add-on aeroplane will certainly help with.

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Just now, Chock said:

One of the nice things you can do with Virtualcol aeroplanes, is soup the avionics up a lot with Ernie Alston's Integrated SimAvionics if you are missing stuff like complicated FMCs and such, and then you can have something with great frame rates which has very realistic systems too.

There is no getting away from the fact that Virtualcol's add-ons are not spectacular in the VC, but when you have all kinds of other add-ons running and you've crammed every fancy bit of eye-candy imaginable into your base sim, those better frame rates on the Virtualcol aeroplanes start to offset the less than stellar-looking cockpits. It's why I've bought quite a few of their aeroplanes even though I have many PMDGs, A2As, FSLs etc.

I appreciate the realism of those fancier sim aeroplanes of course, but there have been plenty of times where I've been coming into a fancy payware add-on airport, over photorealistic terrain with autogen over the top of it and AI airliners all over the place, and not had to worry about the sim turning into a slideshow or dinging that OOM sound as you try to get the wheels on the ground before the sim crashes out because I know the Virtualcol ATR42 or Shorts 360 is not taxing my computer at all. Now of course we've less chance of an OOM with the advent of 64 bit sims, but smooth frame rates are still something which a more modest add-on aeroplane will certainly help with.

The CRJ VC is an order of magnitude above their earlier stuff, IMHO. Way better than the E-Jets. When I saw it, I was very impressed. Great progress!

 

Russ

(I have no idea what an order of magnitude is, really, but I like the way it sounds. Very Hawkingesque, don't you think?)

 

 

 

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How does it compare to say the default fsx crj?

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This helps greatly, thank you! On my first flight I had to shake my head - Throttle at idle, level flight and it would not slow down at all? :ohmy:

Not a bad plane or VC for the price. It's great to finally have a CRJ 200 in the sim!

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So does this fix get drag to a reasonable level?  That's the one thing holding me back from a purchase right now.  Does this work on the 700 and 900 too?

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1 hour ago, regis9 said:

So does this fix get drag to a reasonable level?  That's the one thing holding me back from a purchase right now.  Does this work on the 700 and 900 too?

Yes indeed it does on the 200. I haven't tried it though on the other variants.

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9 hours ago, Lenny777 said:

Yes indeed it does on the 200. I haven't tried it though on the other variants.

Did the fix on the 700 and flew it on Vatsim Tuesday night with BVARTCC. Airspeed was very controllable. No problem slowing down and keeping it under 250 below 10000.

 

Russ

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he CRJ VC is an order of magnitude above their earlier stuff, IMHO. Way better than the E-Jets. When I saw it, I was very impressed. Great progress!

 

Russ

On 6/20/2017 at 8:29 AM, b1bmsgt said:

 

(I have no idea what an order of magnitude is, really, but I like the way it sounds. Very Hawkingesque, don't you think?)

 

 

 

10 times, Russ, 10 times. Your claiming that the VC is that much better than the last one. I think you're underselling that cockpit. Let's go for THREE orders of magnitude better. It's that good!

(no, I don't have this plane - I don't usually buy low-end payware - but I might just purchase it, because frame rates).

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I'm a type rated CRJ Captain. I haven't tried these planes yet as I've been on a trip for the last few days, so can't comment on how they fly, but I can tell you that the 700/900 are a little more difficult to slow. now nothing like throttles at idle in level flight holding 300kias, but it does take some decent planning, especially in the 900. Now the 200 is a different story, pull the throttles back on that and you'll fall out of the sky pretty quick

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7 hours ago, b1bmsgt said:

Did the fix on the 700 and flew it on Vatsim Tuesday night with BVARTCC. Airspeed was very controllable. No problem slowing down and keeping it under 250 below 10000.

 

Russ

Good to know thanks!

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48 minutes ago, GWC123 said:

I'm a type rated CRJ Captain. I haven't tried these planes yet as I've been on a trip for the last few days, so can't comment on how they fly, but I can tell you that the 700/900 are a little more difficult to slow. now nothing like throttles at idle in level flight holding 300kias, but it does take some decent planning, especially in the 900. Now the 200 is a different story, pull the throttles back on that and you'll fall out of the sky pretty quick

Good to know. Thanks.

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4 hours ago, GWC123 said:

I'm a type rated CRJ Captain. I haven't tried these planes yet as I've been on a trip for the last few days, so can't comment on how they fly, but I can tell you that the 700/900 are a little more difficult to slow. now nothing like throttles at idle in level flight holding 300kias, but it does take some decent planning, especially in the 900. Now the 200 is a different story, pull the throttles back on that and you'll fall out of the sky pretty quick

Please try them when you get the chance and give us a report, OK? Simmers love to hear that kind of stuff!!

I'm sure you have tried the default FSX CRJ... how does that one compare to the real thing? (I'm talking flying qualities more than system depth, of which the default CRJ basically has none. lol)

 

Thanks!

 

Russ

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On ‎6‎/‎22‎/‎2017 at 8:09 PM, b1bmsgt said:

Please try them when you get the chance and give us a report, OK? Simmers love to hear that kind of stuff!!

I'm sure you have tried the default FSX CRJ... how does that one compare to the real thing? (I'm talking flying qualities more than system depth, of which the default CRJ basically has none. lol)

 

Thanks!

 

Russ

Honestly I've never flown it. I came from xplane after years with the full intent of going deep into payware planes, so I haven't done much freeware stuff in the sim.

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I have purchased this planes, i must say, they are really bad.

i have the latest update for V4, flying with crj200 and on cruise in FL280 and  the plane goes up and down all the way.

also the standby horizon is not working....
i would never buy this plane for an 2.time.
 

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2 hours ago, Alti said:

I have purchased this planes, i must say, they are really bad.

i have the latest update for V4, flying with crj200 and on cruise in FL280 and  the plane goes up and down all the way.

also the standby horizon is not working....
i would never buy this plane for an 2.time.
 

What do you mean by "goes up and down all the way"? Mine is rock steady at altitude.

Yeah, I noticed the standby. Hopefully they'll fix that on the next update. 

Everything considered, though, I like the airplane. I'm sure the Aerosoft CRJ will be worlds ahead of the Virtualcol, but at least this one is in my hangar, whereas the Aerosoft is... where?

 

Russ

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19 minutes ago, b1bmsgt said:

What do you mean by "goes up and down all the way"? Mine is rock steady at altitude.

Hi,

mine did not hold altitude. it goes 500 Ft below and 500 over the cruise level.
and this with vspeed up to 1800. yaw is on.

 

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1 hour ago, Alti said:

Hi,

mine did not hold altitude. it goes 500 Ft below and 500 over the cruise level.
and this with vspeed up to 1800. yaw is on.

 

I finally found the Yaw damper panel this morning, so I haven't flown with it on yet! I'll have to check it out.

 

Russ

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