theskyisthelimit

Good compliment throttle quadrant to give 4 engine throttle + ch eclipse yoke?

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I'm about to jump into 4 engine simulation more so (dash 8, pmdg, a320x etc on p3dv4.1).. at this point i just have a ch eclipse yoke on my desk using the under desk mount.. I dont have a ton of room to the right of the yoke, but enough i might just barely be able to fit something like this:

Ch Quadrant (6 lever)

or better yet,

maybe something like this Logitech

Either way.. if it has less than 4 throttle axes, i guess i'd want the 4 combined with the yoke to somehow lineup.. i dont know that the logitech saitek one would line up with the ch yoke that well, meaning i'd probably need to go with the first option for an all in one shot.

The other thing is that i read about detents.. I'm assuming if it has those its more realistic..
Any alternative suggestions that dont cost an arm or leg or thoughts on these + the eclipse?

None of these seem to have linkable throttles though.

Thanks in advance

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10 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

I'm about to jump into 4 engine simulation more so (dash 8, pmdg, a320x etc on p3dv4.1).. at this point i just have a ch eclipse yoke on my desk using the under desk mount.. I dont have a ton of room to the right of the yoke, but enough i might just barely be able to fit something like this:

Ch Quadrant (6 lever)

or better yet,

maybe something like this Logitech

Either way.. if it has less than 4 throttle axes, i guess i'd want the 4 combined with the yoke to somehow lineup.. i dont know that the logitech saitek one would line up with the ch yoke that well, meaning i'd probably need to go with the first option for an all in one shot.

The other thing is that i read about detents.. I'm assuming if it has those its more realistic..
Any alternative suggestions that dont cost an arm or leg or thoughts on these + the eclipse?

None of these seem to have linkable throttles though.

Thanks in advance

I have the Logitech unit, got one of the first after Logitech too over the manufacturing. It works flawlessly. It comes with extra knobs so you can color code it to the function you are using, and it also has a long knob that fits over all three controllers, to gang them together. I just looked at this long knob, and if you got two of these units and mounted them right next to each other, the total room would be about 7" wide. The two ganged knobs would be very easy to fasten together with tape or Velcro, which would give you 6 levers to play with plus you also have 6 button settings on each unit, three up and three down toggles.  

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18 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have the Logitech unit, got one of the first after Logitech too over the manufacturing. It works flawlessly. It comes with extra knobs so you can color code it to the function you are using, and it also has a long knob that fits over all three controllers, to gang them together. I just looked at this long knob, and if you got two of these units and mounted them right next to each other, the total room would be about 7" wide. The two ganged knobs would be very easy to fasten together with tape or Velcro, which would give you 6 levers to play with plus you also have 6 button settings on each unit, three up and three down toggles.  

Wow ok, this sounds perfect then.. minimally one unit but likely i'd grab two of them.. roughly $120 combined.. thanks for the detailed info.

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I use the Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Throttle.  I have two of them also and for a four engine aircraft I assign the left engines to one throttle and the right engines to the other throttle.  As was pointed out, you can swap the knobs around for two throttles together, props and mixture too.  For a two engine aircraft, you are all set as is.  For a Learjet I use the throttles and assign other levers for speed brake, flaps, etc.  Each quadrant has three two position rocker switches and a switch on each lever that is activated when moved past the full down detent.  Pretty versatile over all.

 

Bill

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9 minutes ago, Bill Griffith said:

I use the Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Throttle.  I have two of them also and for a four engine aircraft I assign the left engines to one throttle and the right engines to the other throttle.  As was pointed out, you can swap the knobs around for two throttles together, props and mixture too.  For a two engine aircraft, you are all set as is.  For a Learjet I use the throttles and assign other levers for speed brake, flaps, etc.  Each quadrant has three two position rocker switches and a switch on each lever that is activated when moved past the full down detent.  Pretty versatile over all.

 

Bill

Question related to the detents, though i'm unfamiliar with how that should work.. i read that you need fsuipc to do things like reverse thrusters + detents.. does this require the paid version.. i havent upgraded since they went to v5, so guessing probably does.

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I have always used the paid version of fsuipc, so I'm not familiar with the limits of the free version.  I disable the joysticks in P3D and do all assignments and calibration in fsuipc. An example for the detent switches is how I use one in the Lear for the spoiler.  The spoiler is either on or off, so on one lever I assign the dent switch to extend the spoiler when the lever is pulled down and retract the spoiler when the lever is lifted back up.  You can assign the switches to fuel cutoff and things like that.  In some aircraft I have used them for reverse thrust.  Some aircraft will go into reverse thrust when the throttle is pulled full down if they are calibrated that way.  I use the rocker switches mostly for views of the various panels in the cockpit and outside views, which I assign in Chase Plane.  I'm using the CH Flight Sim Yoke by the way.  I don't use the throttle, prop and mixture levers on the yoke because of the location behind the control wheel. I do use the various switches on the yoke for moving the view in and out and left and right, one for returning the view to the pilot's view, the hat for panning the view and one button for the PTT switch.  When I need to get a closer view of say the FMS/GPS, overhead panel or console, etc.  I go to the rocker switches.  I try to setup a similar layout for each aircraft then the confusion factor is much less.  :biggrin:

 

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I have the CH Throttle quadrant ( actually several for different systems). I found it much sturdier and more versatile than the Logitech TQ. I use it for single, twin, triple and quad engines with no issues at all. I also program it completely through FSUIPC so whatever a/c I choose, the TQ is programmed accordingly. As an accessory, you can get knobs that span two throttle levers so handling a quad is easy.

Vic

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I bought 2 of that model but under the saitek brand before logitech bought them. I have not had any issues.

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1 hour ago, bills511 said:

I'm waiting for this. Due for 1st quarter 2018 release.

http://flyhoneycomb.com/bravo-throttle-quadrant-2/

This one looks interesting too. They mention programmable switches and autopilot, so I assume maybe a tad more functionality than the Logitech bit at what price i wonder. It also appears longer however 

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1 hour ago, vgbaron said:

I have the CH Throttle quadrant ( actually several for different systems). I found it much sturdier and more versatile than the Logitech TQ. I use it for single, twin, triple and quad engines with no issues at all. I also program it completely through FSUIPC so whatever a/c I choose, the TQ is programmed accordingly. As an accessory, you can get knobs that span two throttle levers so handling a quad is easy.

Vic

Plus 1.  The CH is around $90 or less new, has six handles with different color knobs, and 12 separate switches.  Four engine configuration is commonly four separate throttles with black knobs and one each for the prop (blue knob) and mixture (red knob). The CH also has detents for thrust reversers, etc and there is a tutorial showing how to set them up for reverse thrust using fsuipc. I had one for nine years of almost daily simming and is worked fine when I sold it a while ago.  Can't recommend them enough--great tool for the money.

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Odd. Curious why my CH Throttle detent wore out in about 2yrs. Just flop around at the detent position. It's why I went with the satek throttles, though not thrilled with them either. Can't afford Go Flights.

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55 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

Odd. Curious why my CH Throttle detent wore out in about 2yrs. Just flop around at the detent position. It's why I went with the satek throttles, though not thrilled with them either. Can't afford Go Flights.

All the detents? Guess I was lucky ☺

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12 minutes ago, vp49p3 said:

All the detents? Guess I was lucky ☺

Me too. I have three TQ's and no detent problems at all.

 

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CH TQ here that's cracking on a bit. About five years old and throttle one detent is getting a bit 'soft'.  Understandable I guess. I'd buy another one should I need to.

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Hello all,

I am another waiting for the honeycomb product.

Reasons.

Cost....projected at the moment, USD200. includes trim wheel, setup (including levers) for single, dual and quad throttles with flaps and spoiler levers, It looks like it also has a Gear up/down lever on the side. Also included (something I do not need but I am sure others will appreciate) is an annunciator panel and 7 switches. This is all information from their website and is due for release first quarter 2018. Incidently the yoke is the same price so we would be looking at USD400 for the complete set up.

Comparison with Saitek/Logitech.

Cost ... Approximately USD60 here for each quadrant, the trim wheel ... Same again. USD60, 3 switches on each quadrant none on trim wheel No extra landing gear lever and no annunciators.

Total cost (depending on where you purchase) approximately USD180.

From appearances, the three saitek controllers combined and one honeycomb items are looking to be about the same dimensions. The big advantage of Saitek/Logitech is that they are available right now and we will have to wait for the Honeycomb item.

I have never researched CH Products although I have not really read any really bad adverse comments. As such, I cannot attest to quality nor can I comment on price for the modern product . Many many years ago I did own an analog CH Yoke and Pedals (no Quadrant) There were solid and reliable for approximately 5 years.

That is it ... A very personal viewpoint and I cannot wait for the Honeycomb Quadrant Unless it blows up in the meantime, I am going to stick with my Saitek yoke, extra quadrant, trimwheel and rudder pedals. A good combination although with age I find my quadrants get a little erratic.

Incidently, and slightly off topic, I found that a squirt of WD40 into the lever slots settled down very erratic throttles and all levers. I believe that dust was my problem and this sorted it out (FOR ME) I do not know if this is a recommended practice or if it does any damage in the long term but it has been in excess of twelve months since the last "squirt" This is NOT a recomendation and is a casual observation only. PLEASE be cautious.

Hope some of this has been helpful.

Regards

Tony

Tony

 

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45 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

Hello all,

I am another waiting for the honeycomb product.

Reasons.

Cost....projected at the moment, USD200. includes trim wheel, setup (including levers) for single, dual and quad throttles with flaps and spoiler levers, It looks like it also has a Gear up/down lever on the side. Also included (something I do not need but I am sure others will appreciate) is an annunciator panel and 7 switches. This is all information from their website and is due for release first quarter 2018. Incidently the yoke is the same price so we would be looking at USD400 for the complete set up.

Comparison with Saitek/Logitech.

Cost ... Approximately USD60 here for each quadrant, the trim wheel ... Same again. USD60, 3 switches on each quadrant none on trim wheel No extra landing gear lever and no annunciators.

Total cost (depending on where you purchase) approximately USD180.

From appearances, the three saitek controllers combined and one honeycomb items are looking to be about the same dimensions. The big advantage of Saitek/Logitech is that they are available right now and we will have to wait for the Honeycomb item.

I have never researched CH Products although I have not really read any really bad adverse comments. As such, I cannot attest to quality nor can I comment on price for the modern product . Many many years ago I did own an analog CH Yoke and Pedals (no Quadrant) There were solid and reliable for approximately 5 years.

That is it ... A very personal viewpoint and I cannot wait for the Honeycomb Quadrant Unless it blows up in the meantime, I am going to stick with my Saitek yoke, extra quadrant, trimwheel and rudder pedals. A good combination although with age I find my quadrants get a little erratic.

Incidently, and slightly off topic, I found that a squirt of WD40 into the lever slots settled down very erratic throttles and all levers. I believe that dust was my problem and this sorted it out (FOR ME) I do not know if this is a recommended practice or if it does any damage in the long term but it has been in excess of twelve months since the last "squirt" This is NOT a recomendation and is a casual observation only. PLEASE be cautious.

Hope some of this has been helpful.

Regards

Tony

Tony

 

Forgive me since I'm new to quadrants. Which part is the annunciator and what does it allow you to do. I take it there are no official spoilers on the Logitech aside from programming a switch or is that not true. Need a nice side by side features chart:) or at least the bonuses of honey comb.  The Logitech are 59 on Amazon now 

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Hello mate,

OK.  An annunciator panel is a series of warning lights which automatically light up (usually red) if you have a major problem or orange if it is a minor one.  Most aircraft have inbuilt annunciator panels anyway, but as I run a full VC cockpit (IFly737 and 747) all the warnings come up on either the upper du or on the main panel. As I said, I see the annunciator panel as superfluous but others may find it handy. It does not allow you to do anything and is a warning panel only.

To answer your last query, I will explain my set up.

My yoke quadrant is first lever ... "Spoiler" Configured in Taskbar/Options/Controls/Assignments/Axis. Click on the controller/dev ice you wish to assign "Spoilers" to and then scroll down (near the bottom) to Spoilers. Click on Change assignment and then move the lever you wish to assign. This process will be the same for all the levers you wish to assign.

With the buttons, again follow the process above till you get to assignments then click on buttons and keys. Make sure you are actually assigning these functions to the correct controller or device.

My levers are set up as follows

Yoke quadrant:

lever 1 Spoiler

lever 2 Throttle 1

lever 3 Throttle 2

Extra quadrant:

lever 1 Throttle 3

lever 2 Throttle 4

lever 3 Flaps

If I am flying the 737 (two throttles,) I simply reassign lever 3 (yoke quadrant) to throttle 1 and lever 1 (extra quadrant) to throttle 2. I then remove my throttle grips (hand made) for levers 2 and 5 respectively and unassign them using the procedure outlined above. This takes about 30 seconds.

Buttons:

For my set up, I have the yoke quadrant (PS32 connection direct to the yoke)

button 1 assigned to Gear up/down (manual extension)

button 2 parking brake

button 3 pushback

Please bear in mind that these buttons are very rarely used as I click on everything direct with a mouse. 

If you have any further queries please let me know.  Whilst I have been moderately long winded, I hope it is all fairly clear to you. However, as you appear to have been around for longer than I have, given you post history, I am probably teaching you to suck eggs.

Regards

Tony

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3 minutes ago, himmelhorse said:

Hello mate,

OK.  An annunciator panel is a series of warning lights which automatically light up (usually red) if you have a major problem or orange if it is a minor one.  Most aircraft have inbuilt annunciator panels anyway, but as I run a full VC cockpit (IFly737 and 747) all the warnings come up on either the upper du or on the main panel. As I said, I see the annunciator panel as superfluous but others may find it handy. It does not allow you to do anything and is a warning panel only.

To answer your last query, I will explain my set up.

My yoke quadrant is first lever ... "Spoiler" Configured in Taskbar/Options/Controls/Assignments/Axis. Click on the controller/dev ice you wish to assign "Spoilers" to and then scroll down (near the bottom) to Spoilers. Click on Change assignment and then move the lever you wish to assign. This process will be the same for all the levers you wish to assign.

With the buttons, again follow the process above till you get to assignments then click on buttons and keys. Make sure you are actually assigning these functions to the correct controller or device.

My levers are set up as follows

Yoke quadrant:

lever 1 Spoiler

lever 2 Throttle 1

lever 3 Throttle 2

Extra quadrant:

lever 1 Throttle 3

lever 2 Throttle 4

lever 3 Flaps

If I am flying the 737 (two throttles,) I simply reassign lever 3 (yoke quadrant) to throttle 1 and lever 1 (extra quadrant) to throttle 2. I then remove my throttle grips (hand made) for levers 2 and 5 respectively and unassign them using the procedure outlined above. This takes about 30 seconds.

Buttons:

For my set up, I have the yoke quadrant (PS32 connection direct to the yoke)

button 1 assigned to Gear up/down (manual extension)

button 2 parking brake

button 3 pushback

Please bear in mind that these buttons are very rarely used as I click on everything direct with a mouse. 

If you have any further queries please let me know.  Whilst I have been moderately long winded, I hope it is all fairly clear to you. However, as you appear to have been around for longer than I have, given you post history, I am probably teaching you to suck eggs.

Regards

Tony

No problem at all:)  this territory is new to me. I'm a virtual goggle flyer so now I see what is meant by the anunciators. For me less critical. However your layout is very good advice and info. Still Leaning towards trying the Logitechs, your layout makes sense. Having those switches will indeed reduce clicks even blind in VR:)  I'll also dig up some videos too. 

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My logitechs came in today.. issue i have is that i cant use the clamps to clamp em to the desk because i moved my keyboard to a pull out tray below the yoke and the quadrants.. so i guess ill have to find some other way to tether them to the desktop, maybe velcro or some other means, or leave the black brackets on the back and screw screws down through that part (less ideal), though this desk is beat as it is, wouldnt matter much lol 

 

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