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Me too - win7 gets better - win10 gets worse especially for us simmers with its updates lately.

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39 minutes ago, dmarques69 said:

According to Steam Windows 10 is losing installations in gaming computers, Windows 7 is growing every week, more than 60% of the Steam users are using Windows 7 against the less than 30% of Windows 10 users ...

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=combined

Im one of those that are thinking of reverting to Windows 7, tired of problems with Windows 10.

 

 

The survey is not of the entire user base as far as I’m aware, so take it with a pinch of salt.

Example, I wasn’t surveyed (at least I don’t remember being surveyed). It would be interesting to know how many users were part of the survey.

’Participation in the survey is optional, and anonymous’.

I kind of find the survey useless, because they don’t tell you how many users participated in it. Example, if they say the survey was of 20million users and there is a 20%+ rise in Win7, then that’s relatively meaningful (to an extent).

For all we know, the survey could be 10k users, and well, a 20% rise in Win 7 over just 10k users is not meaningful at all.

Statistics can show whatever you want them to show ;)

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7 minutes ago, flightskyc said:

The survey is not of the entire user base as far as I’m aware, so take it with a pinch of salt.

This is true. The survey now includes a whole region not previously counted. Take a look at the language section for clues on where those win 7 boxes are located. Internet cafe's....

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41 minutes ago, dmarques69 said:

According to Steam Windows 10 is losing installations in gaming computers, Windows 7 is growing every week, more than 60% of the Steam users are using Windows 7 against the less than 30% of Windows 10 users ...

Not quite what it seems. Sean gave a clue above. This from the MP1ST web site (http://mp1st.com/news/steam-survey-reveals-the-most-popular-os-among-gamers):

In October’s Steam hardware and software survey, it was revealed that Windows 7 64-bit was now king. 

What’s the reason for this? Well, it turns out that it’s mostly down to Chinese players wanting in on PlayerUnknown’s Battlegrounds. With Windows 7 remaining extremely popular in China, and Windows 10 actually being banned from government systems, the influx of Chinese Steam users means the OS’ figures have been given a boost. The language stats also reflect this, with more Chinese-speaking people starting to use the service.

38 minutes ago, bursco said:

Me too - win7 gets better - win10 gets worse especially for us simmers with its updates lately.

How can Windows 7 be getting better? It hasn't had any feature updates or optimisations for over two years - security updates are now all that is gets. Also, most "simmers" don't appear to be having problems with the recent update. If you look at the numbers posting with issues, it's really not very many. I'm not a Windows 10 evangelist (I changed to it reluctantly) but I've had no problems with it and I've installed every non-driver update.

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3 minutes ago, flightskyc said:

The survey is not of the entire user base as far as I’m aware, so take it with a pinch of salt.

 

Of course not, and as you i dont remeber of being surveyed, but as any survey, normaly reflects the real numbers with a low margin error. If you check the rest of the statistics they make sense... and this one in particular makes a lot, since this "revertion" started with this 10 updates.

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23 minutes ago, dmarques69 said:

Of course not, and as you i dont remeber of being surveyed, but as any survey, normaly reflects the real numbers with a low margin error. If you check the rest of the statistics they make sense... and this one in particular makes a lot, since this "revertion" started with this 10 updates.

Yah but this doesn’t necessarily indicate a drop in windows 10 users. They added a new region in the survey, which had loads of Win 7 users.

That doesn’t mean that Win 10 users are going back to windows 7 at a fast rate, just means they’re now counting more users who happen to be win 7 heavy (i.e. China).

Stats are fun to interpret!

For the record, I’m not a win 10 fanboi, actually a Mac user most of the time.

 

 

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16 minutes ago, flightskyc said:

Yah but this doesn’t necessarily indicate a drop in windows 10 users. They added a new region in the survey, which had loads of Win 7 users.

That doesn’t mean that Win 10 users are going back to windows 7 at a fast rate, just means they’re now counting more users who happen to be win 7 heavy (i.e. China).

stats are fun to interpret!

For the record, I’m not a win 10 word not allowed, actually a Mac user most of the time.

 

 

 

Thats why i think the Chinese are not dumb ;)

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41 minutes ago, rjfry said:

DX12 -WIN10 76%

The only reason that i have win 10 is because of dx12, and i have a bunch of games that run in dx12.. wait, i have one...BF1 and i get better performance in dx11, go figure!

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Well like I've said before make the most of windows 7 while you can it`s joining XP in history, one of the problems with win 10 and 8 to some extent is being able to install apps and much like mobile`s this can sometimes be the problem.  

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The only issue I have had since building a new Windows 10 system was Advanced Power Management and Saitek devices. That issue has been resolved by several sources. My experience with Windows 8 on my wife's computer held me back from building a new system three years ago. At that time it was Windows 8. Windows 10 has been a winner for me on my gaming system. Not sure where this "survey" is coming from!

How old is Windows 7 now? When will support be discontinued?

Most of us seem to be out there on the edge.... Latest fastest CPU. Latest fastest GPU. Overclocking. Hunt for the ideal CPU driver. Tweeks with video and .cfg parameters, and on and on and on.  Yes, I am guilty. But my best estimation is it is more me that Windows 10.  

Issue? Isolate, identify, determine fix, then fix.  How many of us really isolate?  Its more throw it all against the wall and see what sticks. And too often we ignore the effects of what does not stick!

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On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 8:06 PM, fppilot said:

Hi Frank--I still use W7.

"How old is Windows 7 now? When will support be discontinued?"

Support goes through 2020.

"Issue? Isolate, identify, determine fix, then fix." 

I guess I'm lucky because I don't spend any time isolating, identifying, determining and fixing w7 non-existent issues--I just go simming instead. 

Just one man's opinion, though.

Jay Fleisher from sunny Florida :gaul:

 

 

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2 hours ago, vp49p3 said:

I guess I'm lucky because I don't spend any time isolating, identifying, determining and fixing w7 non-existent issues--I just go simming instead. 

Good point! That is why Windows 10 has been good for me. Have done none of that! Very satisfied! Those that immerse in all of that have issues and start pointing fingers without looking in the mirror.

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I still think sometimes Microsoft is blamed for most problems by users, when just like PCs that were unable to upgrade to WIN10 down to the fact hardware and software developers were unwilling to update drivers and software, they were in fact telling you to buy a new PCs that benefits them , and the same will be true in the next few years hardware manufactures will be less inclined to optimise for a dying OS.

Don't be surprised when you see new hardware with win10 recommended OS.

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And remember that anything using DirectX 12 will only be supported by Windows 10.

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The home computer as a gaming platform is going the way of the dodo bird.  Microsoft is turning the Windows computer into a Mac clone for the home computer user (not necessarily for the commercial IT department though, where there ARE professional people who will know how to "make it work" for that type of environment).  Apps this, Apps that, Everybody Use Your Apps (which IT professionals can also "push" to the end-users in commercial environments).  The average home computer end user isn't (and usually won't get) educated enough to perform their own System Maintenance to keep their computer running properly, so MS is taking it out of the hands of the end-user and making it automated like with the current Windows Updates (when WAS the last time you "cleaned" out your temp files, browser history, and did software updates for your OS, drivers, and "programs" you have installed?  When was the last time you updated your Motherboard's BIOS? (I can hear people saying, "Oh No!!! That's too dangerous to do!!!")  When was the last time (or ANY time for that matter) you made sure even the DEFAULT MS security program Windows Defender was set up correctly to not "real time scan" ALL of your "game related files" while you are using them?).

"Games" are being pushed to "consoles" now.  X-Boxes etc are the future "gaming machines" (along with VR headsets and environments).  Heck, even our historically stand-alone installed flight sims are being pushed to online "cloud" services (aka: Steam-ish).  Install FSX from Steam and it manages everything about the simulator for you...updates, etc.  All you have to do is "play" it.

And I can't blame Microsoft one bit for doing it.  I spent over 30 years in professional IT management and Systems Security.  The end-user is the weakest link in computer use.  We have a saying in IT..."NEVER place your system security in the hands of the end user!!!  They simply WON'T do what is needed to protect the network." And for most end users, that is true.  And it is still very prevalent in our "dedicated" flight sim user base.  You don't believe me?  Ask yourself this......

WHY are so many people having "problems" with Windows 10?  If it was THAT BAD, the commercial IT user base would be trashing it publically and Microsoft would be on the defensive like all the people being accused of sexual harassment on the Internet now.  MS  would be getting lambasted from the PROFESSIONAL community.  But they AREN'T.  That should tell you where the REAL problems are when you go to non-professional forums where the end users are saying things like "Windows Sucks and broke my computer!!!"  Sorry, but if a majority of flight sim users ARE getting their sims to work using Windows 10...and you AREN'T...it isn't the OS that is the problem.

I made a VERY good living pay-wise for over 30 years "helping" Windows users who weren't capable of helping themselves.  Sorry, but that's the real truth.

   

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I think you will find steam not well liked on flight sim forums has in fact saved the desktop PC and done flight simmers a favour, Desktop hardware would not be worth investing in if the market is not there and wait is left would be very expensive. There would be no market for high end graphics card and the few sim PC would make not worth the RD, Take COD WWII first three days $500,000,000. world wide and a lot of that on steam, as for the game console yes it has a major role in supporting game studios but even they benefit from steam and the desktop market. and as long as that continues then AMD , INTEL , NVIDIA , will provide product for that market, A game console`s hardware will be passed by the desktop PC by the time it is released as it`s in production for at least 12 months before release. By then the desktop graphics will be more powerful.

As for big bad Microsoft they got the idea from APPLE and GOOGLE they have been harvesting info for years and selling it and the others are catching on Facebook ECT, There's a lot of truth in the saying there`s no such thing as a FREE LUNCH.

 

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7 hours ago, FalconAF said:

The home computer as a gaming platform is going the way of the dodo bird.

Couldn't be further from the truth. As Raymond says above, the advent of Steam has completely turned around the PC gaming market. Although consoles seemed to be taking over for a while, there are now well over 125 million active accounts on Steam alone and the number of concurrent users has been rising, overall since 2012: https://www.statista.com/statistics/308330/number-stream-users/. Last year the PC gaming market generated $35.8 billion dollars compared to $6.6 billion from consoles: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/55607/pc-generated-442-more-revenue-consoles-2016/index.html. To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of the gaming PC have been greatly exaggerated (probably by the console manufacturers).

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Update on vortex681 a report on tomshardware a few months ago stated that steam had a costumer base of around 400 million, that`s also why on release date game studios release there Games on steam and in shops the same day. The only reason for GPU like the 1080ti is for a high end Gaming PC without which the market would die and the product with it.  

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11 minutes ago, rjfry said:

a report on tomshardware a few months ago stated that steam had a costumer base of around 400 million

My figure was based on numbers from last year, so PC gaming is having an even bigger resurgence than I thought! It could partly be as a result of all of the Chinese players coming on board.

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5 hours ago, vortex681 said:

To paraphrase Mark Twain, reports of the death of the gaming PC have been greatly exaggerated (probably by the console manufacturers).

Oh really? Check out actual global sales figures for 2017:

http://www.vgchartz.com/yearly/2017/Global/

Even in the US, PS4 game unit sales outpace PC unit sales by more than 20 to 1. PC gaming is not dead, it's just sleeping, ala the Norwegian Blue Parrot.

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4 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

PC gaming is not dead, it's just sleeping, ala the Norwegian Blue Parrot.

I'm not sure that the 400 million Steam users would agree with you there (not to mention all the non-Steam PC gamers)!

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