J van E

fsAerodata question

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Just installed fsAerodata because I noticed a lot of the approaches I did with the latest AIRAC installed were a bit off and to the side. I was hopingfsAerodata would fix that. Now I haven't been able to test that yet because it seems fsAerodata also changes some radio frequencies. I was unable to contact tower with ProATC and after a while I figured out that ProATC said, with audio, that I had to contact 119.4 but it showed in text that I had to contact 119.1.

Is it correct that fsAerodata also changes radio frequencies? I thought it only changed VOR etc. freqs. And does anyone here also use fsAerodata and ProATC and if so: what did you do to make them work together?

BTW At this moment I am creating a new database for Plan-G but it is taking ages.... it's as if it is stuck. I thought fsAerodata was a simple install and forget addon but it seems I have to fix a lot of other addons too. PFPX maybe also? It's a bit hard to figure out which addons are influenced by fsAerodata so if someone knows more about this, let me know.

Live isn't getting simpler with all my new addons lately... :mellow: More fun, well, yes, if it all works but it is taking quite some time to get things done properly.

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Any add-on that is not up to date with the latest AIRAC will show discrepancies with fsaerodata. Also I have found that Little NavMap updates its scenery database far faster with each new AIRAC than Plan G.

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FSAerodata works pretty well together with PATC on my side. But as Jay mentioned it is important that all relevant add-ons are using the same AIRAC. I always run makerunways from P3D install (Lorbys Addon Organizer should be installed too). Take care that FSaerodata entries are allways on top of the scenery.cfg (control/change with Lorbys Addon Organizer). Then follows data import in PATC.

There were some ILS inaccuracies recently but they were fixed with 1712r4.

It is also important to use latest Magnetic Variation Data ... see here https://www.fsaerodata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=128

 

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25 minutes ago, Nemo said:

It is also important to use latest Magnetic Variation Data ... see here https://www.fsaerodata.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=128

Er... is that mentioned in the manual somewhere? That would be very odd. The link in that link tothe files you need (magdec?) isn't correct.

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Managed to find it here: http://www.aero.sors.fr/navaids.html

Again, odd that this isn't mention anywhere as far as I can tell.

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9 minutes ago, J van E said:

Er... is that mentioned in the manual somewhere? That would be very odd. The link in that link tothe files you need (magdec?) isn't correct.

The link does not work correctly since hot-linking this page is not allowed ... You will find it under Navaids Tools on Herve Sors site.

Guess you found it anyway ...

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10 minutes ago, J van E said:

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Again, odd that this isn't mention anywhere as far as I can tell.

Absolutely, right!

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Magvar data is updated annually and if one want to maintain absolute precision (and who here doesn't?) the stock P3d file must be replaced. That's why each airport chart shows the annual magvar rate in degrees.

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1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Magvar data is updated annually and if one want to maintain absolute precision (and who here doesn't?) the stock P3d file must be replaced. That's why each airport chart shows the annual magvar rate in degrees.

I'm with Jeroen, would have been nice for fsaerodata to mention this suggestion...lol. I've been using Navigraph data for addons, and fsaerodata for some time, but never updated magnetic variation! All that $$$$ for Navi updates, and I was using it with 10 yr. old mag data...wow, I feel like a moron!

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Does updating the magvar have any negative consequences/side affects?

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12 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

Any add-on that is not up to date with the latest AIRAC will show discrepancies with fsaerodata. Also I have found that Little NavMap updates its scenery database far faster with each new AIRAC than Plan G.

Don't you build your own database with Plan G3?

I thought it scans your installation and addons?

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Well what a great thread. I’m in a fresh P3D install with Navigraph and FSAero. 

On Saturday flying into KSEA on Pilotedge the controller kept asking me if I was sure I was aligned with the correct runway!  Couldn’t tell because I was in clouds. 

Looks like a project for tonight and maybe some before and after pictures!

and add magdata to my growing ‘reinstall’ list. 

Cheers. 

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5 hours ago, swiesma said:

Don't you build your own database with Plan G3?

I thought it scans your installation and addons?

Both Plan G and Little NavMap scan all your installed scenery in order to build their respective databases. LNM just seems to do it faster in my opinion.

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20 hours ago, J van E said:

Live isn't getting simpler with all my new addons lately... :mellow: More fun, well, yes, if it all works but it is taking quite some time to get things done properly.

Are you suggesting too many add-ons?  I've always wondered how the average simmer could possibly manage their flight sim of choice ... I have a document that is now almost 40 pages long full of tid bits of information on how to keep everything working well together (from configuring GoFlight modules to disabling BGLs for a specific airport/scenery).  It's getting so complex that I've seriously thought about coding my own application to manage the add-on managers and add-ons themselves ... there is almost always some file I need to disable, some file I need to enable, a change in scenery order, and sequence of events that must happen in yet another specific order after running FTX Central.

Then I pause, reflect why I spent an entire day trying to track down a problem with a specific add-on, fire up Civilization VI and go conquer the world with diplomacy ... reminds me of a simpler time :laugh:

Back on topic, FSL A320 will replace magvar file also.

Cheers, Rob.

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2 hours ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Then I pause, reflect why I spent an entire day trying to track down a problem with a specific add-on, fire up Civilization VI and go conquer the world with diplomacy ... reminds me of a simpler time :laugh:

:biggrin:

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Just did my second flight with fsAerodata installed and still I did approach the runway at an angle (and no, this wasn't a published angle). Ever since installing the latest AIRAC for all my addons I haven't been able to approach a runway straight. I am either at an angle or simply left or right of the middle. And this is with ILS. I was hoping fsAerodata would solve this but well, so far I have no clue what fsAerodata is doing for P3D: I notice no difference. Guess I will have to get used to steering the plane to the middle of the runway myself from now on. I have no clue at all how to solve this is Navigraph and fsAerodata plus magvar make no difference!

And btw with all these addons and a plane that keeps you busy I have only completed ONE flight without any problems since I got the Q400. Today, as happens more often, ProATC decided to leave the office early. Slightly annyoing if there is always something going wrong, be it software or my own stupidity. :happy:

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Yes, I like to call it “add-on” wars, it’s popular show going on 13th season. :)

 

FSaerodata will backup the original BGLs and add file extension FSDAT or something like that.  

You can locate the files in question via the sector map in the learning center .chm ... i.e. scenery\0202 is some of California area ... in that folder you’ll see the FSDAT (in the office today so going of memory)  backups, rename, and retest ILS.  If it works when reverting back to original BGLs, then something else is not being updated correctly ... could be a case of add-on wars.

Your mission should accept it will be to locate the conflict ... this message will self destruct in 10 seconds :)

Cheers, Rob

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53 minutes ago, Rob Ainscough said:

Yes, I like to call it “add-on” wars, it’s popular show going on 13th season. :)

Haha, yes, well, I sometimes worry about all this: it's not only the addons themselves that are becoming a problem but also the addons you need for other addons. Like ProATC: I really love that one but 1. it won't work if you also use MakeRwys... so what if the creator of that one stops working on it... that'll make ProATC stop working. But to make it even worse 2. P3D's new way of dealing with addons has made MakeRwys dependable on Lorbi Addon Organizer...! So we get all kinds of chains of addons and if one pice of that chain stops working the entire sim can get into problems. GSX added a few other programs to my PC, some sort of manager and Couatl. Navigraph gets better with fsAerodata (so I am told) but you also need an updated magvara,bgl... Earlier on I posted all the addons that I need to run to get flying but in the background even MORE stuff is being added and loaded! It's not enought to just install an addon and use it: you have to also install various apps on which they depend and you all have to set them up, change their settings, even fool around in ini's and cfg's. I also (luckily) have the habit of documenting everything I do so I won't have to figure everything out from scratch the next time but I have to say that the last two weeks there was so much going on that I forgot to document really everything... and so I am beginning to understand why some people do not like to reinstall their sim (and OS). :happy:

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Agree with you 100% Jeroen ... it's certainly enough to scare potential new users away.  If you look at P3D "as is" vs. P3D "fully loaded", you'd be hard pressed to identify them as the same simulator.

I have days where I just get to a point of frustration with my Add-ons for P3D and go fly XP11 ... then I get frustrated with my Add-Ons for XP11 and go back to flying P3D ... and then I get frustrated with them both and fly AF2 or FSW ... then I get bored with them and back to solving P3D/XP11 problems in what seems to be a never ending cycle.  Blame the platforms for being to "open" or blame the add-ons ... or blame my never ending quest for more realism.

But I'm almost certain many of us have been there and cycled in/out of flight simulation and the never ending quest to fly the virtual world with all it has to offer.

Cheers, Rob.

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Yes, been there, done that... it’s a neverending story, really. But a very nice one too if you don’t focus too much on the problems. :happy: 

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Hi Jeroen,

it is just an idea, but are you using Orbx Vector? 

Because if you do, it will override many of the stock airports (and of course airports FsAerodata is trying to update). I had the same problem with Herve's data, as it only corrects stock aiports.

The other side is, that I cannot use the sim without Vector, because of the airport elevation corrections :ohmy: It's a vicious circle.

So the main problem is to get the current navdata into the Vector-aiport files or not to use the Vector-airports.

Regards

Marc

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No, I am only flying above FTX regions, not Vector. But afaik fsAerodata overrides everything as long as you make sure it is on top in the scenery library.

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1 hour ago, J van E said:

No, I am only flying above FTX regions, not Vector. But afaik fsAerodata overrides everything as long as you make sure it is on top in the scenery library.

That's correct. For recently released 3rd party airports, there is of course, no impact of fsaerodata, because those airports are almost always up to date. Vector changes polygons (lakes, large rivers, etc.), polylines (shorelines, roads, railroads power lines, streams, etc.) and in some cases, airport elevations. It is also unaffected by fsaerodata.

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2 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said:

That's correct. For recently released 3rd party airports, there is of course, no impact of fsaerodata, because those airports are almost always up to date. Vector changes polygons (lakes, large rivers, etc.), polylines (shorelines, roads, railroads power lines, streams, etc.) and in some cases, airport elevations. It is also unaffected by fsaerodata.

Not quite true. I have an (addon-) airport with strange elevation problems. If I disable the fsaerodata approaches, everything is fine. fsaerodata actually changes something (for example the ICAO code for airports that have changed ICAO codes) and for some reason they affect the elevation as well.

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fsaerodata will change many "default" BGL with it's own version, the original BGLs will now have an extension of ".FSAD" (not FSDAT like I originally stated going off memory).  I would expect that ILS corrections will likely also have elevation corrections (not always, but I would expect it to be common).

As for order in scenery library, I would place it above Orbx and any Aerodome flattening but below 3rd party airports with the assumption 3rd party airports are correctly implementing more recent data -- this maybe a bad assumption).

Cheers, Rob.

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3 hours ago, officercrockey said:

Not quite true. I have an (addon-) airport with strange elevation problems. If I disable the fsaerodata approaches, everything is fine. fsaerodata actually changes something (for example the ICAO code for airports that have changed ICAO codes) and for some reason they affect the elevation as well.

Tell me which airport and I will check the fsaerodata entry for you. fsaerodata only changes arrivals, departures, approaches, airspaces and ICAO codes as you noted. If it is changing the base altitude of an airport then it is either because of what Rob stated or there is something else happening. The elevation "error" can be probably be fixed for that one airport by creating an ALT BGL file with ADE and placing it in .../scenery/world/scenery:

https://scruffyduck.screenstepslive.com/s/help_docs/m/20268/l/210825-what-bgl-files-can-ade-create

That will change the altitude back to what it was originally, but then the airport's approaches might be off by a few feet or so.

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