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Would somebody please give me a 'Reputation' point? I'm on 666 and it's scaring me! :ohmy:

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9 hours ago, Ron Attwood said:

Would somebody please give me a 'Reputation' point? I'm on 666 and it's scaring me! :ohmy:

When I was flying in SE Asia I flew one of our aircraft and the last three was "666" and it was Friday the 13th. :smile:

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On 12/22/2017 at 0:49 AM, Bluestar said:

When I was flying in SE Asia I flew one of our aircraft and the last three was "666" and it was Friday the 13th. :smile:

blaustern

So you're saying I panicked for nothing? 

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Hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. Just rolls right off the tongue that one doesn't it? But it's one phobia for which Hollywood is more to blame than any Revelations given to John, given that the number was incorrectly related in modern versions of the New Testament.

Thus 666 isn't actually the number of the beast, in fact it isn't the mark of the beast either; that's something completely different. 666 being referred to as the number of the beast is an error of translation which has carried over; a more correct interpretation of the 'number of the beast' (i.e. taken from the oldest available surviving copy of the text) would be 616, since the oldest surviving manuscript of the Book of Revelations, is a collection of documents known as Papyrus 115, which dates to about 250 AD, although it's not the only one which has the number as 616 either, several similarly ancient documents have the number as 616 rather than 666 on them as well.

As noted, the 'mark of the beast' isn't the same thing. Whilst it is certainly the case that a lot of this stuff is open to interpretation, as is always the case with ancient texts and especially theological ones, because they are generally translated from surviving copies in Ancient Greek. Certainly the oldest existing copy of the New Testament is in that language - even the Romans used Ancient Greek for their literature - and thus not always able to be easily literally translated without interpretation of the meaning/intent. It is generally regarded that the Greek reference to the 'mark of the beast', particularly since it actually only says charagma on the manuscripts themselves (which simply means 'mark' but is usually referring to a mark stamped on a coin or medallion) is, when taken in context, most likely a reference to the power of Rome, which was of course visible in the coins of the time and which invariably bore the image of the Emperor/Caesar. Since Christians were persecuted for a long time by Rome, the reference to an image of the Roman head being the 'mark of the beast' becomes apparent.

Of course all this is not helped by the fact that, if the supposed scholastic provenance of the Book of Revelations is to be believed, it's likely that John of Patmos was off his biblical t*ts over a scrying pool when he had those revelations. So, like another famous John who was similarly influenced by various substances when writing the lyrics to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and given that his coincidentally also biblically named co-writer Paul, who when writing his middle eight contribution to those lyrics, references partaking of a Jamaican Woodbine on a bus, then as with the bible, we can make of the words what we will lol. 

Anyway, happy Feast of Saturnalia everyone, and Hail Caesar. :biggrin:

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Interestingly on the subject of spooky numbers, check out how many aeroplanes with the flight number 191 have met with ill fortune. It's obviously a coincidence, but it's an uncanny one nevertheless and is apparently why both Delta and American Airlines don't use that number any longer for their flights...

You've got the Delta L-1011 Tristar which crashed at Dallas Fort Worth in 1985 in windshear, which was Flight number 191, also an American Airlines DC-10 which crashed when departing Chicago O'Hare after an engine detached and crippled the hydraulics, which was also Flight 191. The only X-15 which crashed on a test flight in 1967 was flight number 191, its pilot, Major Michael J. Adams becoming the first US space mission fatality. Then you've got a de Havilland Heron 2B of Prin Air which crashed at Mercedita Airport in 1972 after stalling on a go around, this too was Flight 191. Finally a non-fatal but still scary and bizarre incident on board JetBlue Flight 191 out of JFK in 2012, where the pilot flipped out not long after take off and started saying all kinds of weird stuff, so he was tricked by the co-pilot into going into the passenger cabin, locked out of the cockpit by the co-pilot and subsequently overpowered by the passengers and restrained using seatbelts after they realised he clearly wasn't playing with a full deck. That one landed safely fortunately.

So the next time you get a ticket for Flight 191, you might want to go for a refund. Oh and guess which US route was an extension of US 191? Yup, you got it, it was US 666. :biggrin:

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Is there any number that IS safe? We live at number 64 and my wife took a fall the other day and broke her arm. (That's what I told the medics anyway :dry: )

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2 hours ago, Chock said:

Interestingly on the subject of spooky numbers, check out how many aeroplanes with the flight number 191 have met with ill fortune. It's obviously a coincidence, but it's an uncanny one nevertheless and is apparently why both Delta and American Airlines don't use that number any longer for their flights...

You've got the Delta L-1011 Tristar which crashed at Dallas Fort Worth in 1985 in windshear, which was Flight number 191, also an American Airlines DC-10 which crashed when departing Chicago O'Hare after an engine detached and crippled the hydraulics, which was also Flight 191. The only X-15 which crashed on a test flight in 1967 was flight number 191, its pilot, Major Michael J. Adams becoming the first US space mission fatality. Then you've got a de Havilland Heron 2B of Prin Air which crashed at Mercedita Airport in 1972 after stalling on a go around, this too was Flight 191. Finally a non-fatal but still scary and bizarre incident on board JetBlue Flight 191 out of JFK in 2012, where the pilot flipped out not long after take off and started saying all kinds of weird stuff, so he was tricked by the co-pilot into going into the passenger cabin, locked out of the cockpit by the co-pilot and subsequently overpowered by the passengers and restrained using seatbelts after they realised he clearly wasn't playing with a full deck. That one landed safely fortunately.

So the next time you get a ticket for Flight 191, you might want to go for a refund. Oh and guess which US route was an extension of US 191? Yup, you got it, it was US 666. :biggrin:

Then there was the Comair 5191 that took off from the wrong runway in Lexington, Kentucky.

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I don't know what you're worried about Ron.  I've never seen it myself but my barber says I've got what looks like a 666 tattooed on the top of my head.

Noel

 

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On 12/25/2017 at 6:39 PM, Chock said:

Interestingly on the subject of spooky numbers, check out how many aeroplanes with the flight number 191 have met with ill fortune. It's obviously a coincidence, but it's an uncanny one

Same here in the UK but with names. Whenever there is a car accident it is always somebody called Debbie that ends up worse off.

On the news it will report "An accident involving 2 vehicles now on the hard shoulder of the motorway and there is Debbie is on the road so take care passing". I always think poor Debbie.

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I think Debbie is usually to be found in warmer climes, specifically the Alpha Holeshot at St.Maarten :blink::biggrin:

Ahem... I do believe the word is DEBRIS.. :tongue:

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1 hour ago, HighBypass said:

Ahem... I do believe the word is DEBRIS..

Please tell me you realised an awful pun(sorry, but it was. :dry: To my shame, I laughed though.) was being committed.

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I used to go out with a girl called Debbie who was a terrible driver. That absolutely was a case of Debbie all over the road. I'm pretty sure she used to think the bit at the bottom of her counterfoil driving licence where it says 'tear along the dotted line' was an instruction concerning where to position her car.

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No worries, Ron!! :cool:

10 hours ago, Chock said:

I'tear along the dotted line' was an instruction ...

Was she a biker too? Not that I've ever done that. I would never use the term blitzing through traffic... "more making spirited progress!" at least with my missus in earshot.

Interesting aside... Well it's interesting to me, and anyway some of you lot like railways & trains: I used to be a member of a model railway society. There was an exhibition taking place one weekend in Barrow (...it may be a hole, but they make nuclear subs there, so don't knock it LOL!). Anyhow one of my fellow members was a bus enthusiast (hey, again, each to their own!). Not only was he an enthusiast, he owned a nicely restored double decker bus which he brought to Barrow. Needless to say, on the Saturday evening we were cordially invited to pile onto the bus to go for a jolly out to a country pub. WHAT A BLOODY GOOD NIGHT! There was a folk band on and all of us murdered a few well known songs :blush:. On the way back to Barrow, the destination panel on the bus said 666 Cemetery. :biggrin: Much rowdy singing was carried out on the way back to the hotel. One of the streets we drove up had some posh first floor flats with windows exactly the same height as those on the top deck of the bus (of course we were on the top deck, it's more fun!). Unfortunately as we came to a stop at some traffic lights, a young lady in one of the flats who was enjoying a quite night in with a glass of wine had cause to hurriedly draw her curtains to hide away from a bunch of drunken a'holes. Not our fault she was rather pretty and was only wearing a dressing gown! :blink::happy::cool: (sorry love...):blush:

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The Beast of Revelations is almost certainly Nero, in fact Revelations offers a rather obvious encrypted clue to that, which is kind of fun if you like languages and puzzles...

Aside from the fact that the author of Revelations - John of Patmos - was in enforced exile on Patmos, having been banished there by the Roman Empire when he authored the Book of Revelations, so he certainly had a reason to be dissing the Roman Empire, generally speaking the entire Book of Revelations is a thinly veiled pop at the Romans because Mithraism - the main religious cult followed in the Legions - was a rival religion to Christianity.

Lots of references in Revelations pertain to the Roman Empire, such as 'the beast' (the beast was a common epithet ascribed to Nero in those times) having seven heads with ten horns with ten crowns, which are variously references to Rome (it was widely referred to at the time as the City of Seven Hills), the districts of Roman control and so on. The five 'fallen kings' are the emperors Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula and Claudius with Nero being 'the Sixth King who is', since Nero was 'alive' at the time Revelations was written, but even after his 'death' it was thought by many that he would return, because Nero had claimed to be the earthly manifestation of the Roman sun god Apollo, which he did to increase his popularity with those who revered Mithra, because Mithra was allied to the invincible sun, Sol Invictus. The Beast continues for three and a half years in Revelations, which is exactly how long Nero's persecution of Christians in Rome lasted until he died. The list of not very thickly veiled references to Romans in Revelations goes on, but here's the fun part relating to '666'...

Revelations 13:18 states (depending on which translation you use, but this is one of the most common ones): 'Here is wisdom: Let him that hath understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six Hundred Threescore and Six. '

Now, depending on which translation you have for the Book of Revelations, the number can be either 666, or it can be 616, but it actually doesn't matter which number you take to be the correct one, because essentially, they are both correct. This is because 'if you hath understanding' so to speak, you'll know what the coded reference is, not that it would have been particularly cryptic to anyone at the time who was educated. It is a numerological representation of Caesar Nero:

As with modern language etymology, there are numerous spellings and derivations of words, i.e. even today we have German Kaiser, Latin Caesar, Russian Czar etc, etc which all derive from the same word for a king. From the original Greek, when Nerōn Kaisar is translated into Hebrew, it reads as Nrwn Qsr, which in numerology for that alphabet is 666. This also works if one uses 616 too, because the alternate Hebrew spelling of 'Nero Caesar' is Nrv Qsr, which works out to 616. This explains why some transcripts of the Book use 666 and some use 616; it depends on which particular spelling of Nero Caesar the scribe who was writing it out was using.

Now you can bore the @ss off someone in the mosh pit at an Iron Maiden concert with some trivia about one of their biggest songs, and if you round it off with 'are you not entertained?' you can gain extra points for throwing in a reference to Gladiator. :cool:

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