Using FSX Steam in free play mode 747 version 3 will perform 20 second initialization. When trying to fly online using FSX Steam 747 fails to perform 20 second initialization. All gauges black, unable to click on any items, and no landing gear. Both when trying to join a session or creating one same problem no installation.

In online play if I disable FSUIPC 747 will perform 20 seconds initialization. I need FSUIPC for my Saitek gauges, I use SPAD.next to control mySaitek gauges. SPAD.next needs FSUIPC. I have the Multi-Panel, Radio Panel, Pro Switch Panel and they all work in the 747.

At one time this all worked in online play but after updates from Steam, FSUIPC, and the 747 now it no longer works. Having worked for the past 3 months. I have been reading the forms and trying all the fixes. I have ran all of the SimConnect.msi files. I have as my default aircraft a Cessna. All products are up-to-date. Keep PMDG and FS Commander updated with Navigraph.

My set up: Saitec Multi-Panel, Pro Switch Panel, Radio Panel, FIPs just one.
                 Asus Z10PE-D8 WS Server Motherboard with one physical processor installed. (Motherboard can support 2 physical processes).
                 Intel Xeon 8 core processor running at 2.2 GHz
                 64 GB DDR4 EEC Memory
                 MSI Geforce GTX 970 with 4 GB DDR5 Memory
                 CH Products: Yoke, Throttle Quadrant, Pro Rudder Petals
                 1000 watt power supply
                  Windows 7 Ultimate

I have to fly all by myself with the 747 and unable to fly with my friends online using my PMDG 747 v3.

Dan Thomas
                

Dan,

 

When you mean online, you mean the default FSX multiplayer? If yes this is not going to work, as for the multiplayer to work it reloads the aircraft which is something known to cause issues and is also mentioned in the introduction manual, the reloading part.

 

Yes I mean the default FSX multiplayer, it used to work just fine with 747 version 3. I used to fly multiplayer using this aircraft with a club called Easton Hops out of Canada. But after all of these updates, updates from all 3 companies. Steam did updates, FSUIPC did updates, and the 747 had updates.

From what I read it the 747 now takes back some controls from FSUIPC. I have friends that fly the PMDG 737 and the PMDG 777 in multiplayer online with our club. I understand the 747 is the newest addition to PMDG and you all seem to have broken everything.

I wish I could go back to an older on updated version of the 747 then I can have fun flying with my friends. I would enjoy a link to download the older first version of the 747 version 3 and get rid of all these new updates. Because back then the plane worked.

I guess now y'all have no clue how to fix it.  Here's a fix 747 version 3 out of the box.

Dan Thomas

What I'm saying is out-of-the-box version 3 worked with multiplayer, it may have had flaws but it worked. Now days people want multiplayer games. Maybe you all should mention that a $100+ game is not multiplayer. I would not have bought it. I would have purchase the PMDG 777. Hopefully you all will not update it to the point it no longer works.

I would like a fix. If it is a reloading problem fix it. Make it where reloading does not cause a problem. All of the default FSX and many pay version aircraft don't suffer reloading problems. Clear memory or whatever you have to do to fix reloading.

Dan, none of the PMDG products provide multiplayer capabilities.  If a previous version did then that was just a coincidence.  The product page has a very long description of the features, and you are correct in that multiplayer is not mentioned. But it is a stretch to expect the product page to list all the capabilities not supported.  For example, there is no mention that use over a network is not supported, or rain drop effects, or etc. etc.

The number of processes that PMDG has taken outside of the default simulator is significant.  The flight dynamics, engines, rolling friction, and many more processes are in the PMDG code and not the platform.  This complexity means that using this product as an arcade game is highly unlikely and not it's intended market.

12 minutes ago, Dan Thomas said:

I would like a fix. If it is a reloading problem fix it. Make it where reloading does not cause a problem. All of the default FSX and many pay version aircraft don't suffer reloading problems. Clear memory or whatever you have to do to fix reloading.

It’s not that simple. If it were, we’d already be doing it. Reloading the aircraft causes problems with more than our aircraft. It’s the complexity of the aircraft causing the issue. The multiplayer function is more of a sim hack than anything else. I’d suggest using an actual dedicated (and actively supported) multiplayer network. Our aircraft actually work there because those networks and the sim environment are properly set up and functional.

This would be no different with the 777, honestly. The default multiplayer function is garbage. Trying to put a realistic and highly complex add-on in there is going to cause issues - PMDG or otherwise.

 

Arcade game, I think not we are real computer pilots who spends lots of money on our hobby. I don't believe it's a reload problem because it will boot up and initialize in multiplayer mode if you disable FSUIPC.

FSUIPC is used for most software and hardware to interface with FSX. My Saitec gauges works through SPAD,next which interfaces with FSUIPC. My Flight Commander interfaces with FSX using FSUIPC to plan and track my flights. My Navigraph Sim connect uses FSUIPC to provide moving maps on charts.FSUIPC is required for my TrackIR5.

Have you ever programmed your yoke, throttle quadrant, Rudder petals in FSX. They are very jittery and requires a large dead zone. And, they are still jittery. I spend lots of money on FSX hardware and software. How can your software be incompatible FSUIPC. This is the answer I want to read. Give me a good answer here and I will shut up.

Hey, in free play mode everything works. The PMDG 747 v3 will initialize with FSUIPC running. All my hardware and software works.

When I go to multiplayer mode with FSUIPC disabled the aircraft will initialize but I have no working hardware or software. I have to calibrate my flight controls in FSX.

When I go to multiplayer mode with FSUIPC enable the aircraft will not do the 20 second initialization.

How do we fix that.

Dan Thomas

• I don't understand it your PMDG aircraft is flown all the time by me club members in FSX default multiplayer mode all except the 747. None of us can get the 747 to work in multiplayer. And, we all use FSUIPC for out hardware and software add-ons.
• We use smartCARS to track out flying skills. It tracks how well you land, maintain speeds below 10k feet, running off runways, etc.. It uses FSUIPC.
• I have other software that requires FSUIPC: Radar Contact, Multi Crew Experience, FSFlyingSchool, etc.

DanT

23 hours ago, Dan Thomas said:

How can your software be incompatible FSUIPC.

It's not incompatible. We don't recommend its use because it's not required (I just use my Saitek software), but it'll work as long as it's used correctly.

OK, FSUIPC and PMDG 747 works in Free Flight mode what happens different in multiplayer. I can help I have been working with computers since 1985.  I use to fly flight simulator on the Commodore Computer. I know a little programming.

I found in the panel.cfg file I could change which panels come up using keys Shift 1-9. I really need the Upper and Lower DU panels during take-off and landing. So, I moved their position to Shift 3 & 4. Did not need the CP and console CDU on quick keys I can access them from the menu.  I know this is not programming but I can fine and change configuration files and ini files to suite my liking.

I can fellow most suggestions in making changes to programs. I understand binary and hexadecimal and that changing one bit can turn on or off an autopilot, etc.

If multiplayer do something special is there a way to load PMDG 747 without FSUIPC running and start FSUIPC after the 747 loads.  Or, the 747 starts without checking with FSUIPC kind of a delay before talking with FSUIPC? That would give it a chance to do the 20 second thing and then FUSIPC kicks in.  I know they both can run in Free Flight.  All we need to do is figure a way around the problems.  I do this all the time, computer are stupid just fast. They will tell you no then you tell them a different way to do the same thing and they will do it. Results are the same you get the results you wanted.

I know there is a way around I just don't know enough about the software. I know there has to be a way to delay FSUIPC to get the 747 up and running then kick in. Many pilot have this problem I think we can fix it by doing an in around and make things work.  What do you say?

DanT

Happy New Year

DanT

On 30/12/2017 at 10:19 PM, Dan Thomas said:

Maybe you all should mention that a $100+ game is not multiplayer.

On 30/12/2017 at 10:54 PM, Dan Thomas said:

Arcade game, I think not we are real computer pilots who spends lots of money on our hobby...

 

Dan, make your mind up. Anyhow the PMDG product is an add-on to the simulator (game?)

Kyle did mention that the planes work in dedicated multiplayer networks.

FWIW I cannot get even the default FSX:SE Cessna to work in multiplayer!! 

On 30/12/2017 at 11:54 PM, Dan Thomas said:

I don't believe it's a reload problem because it will boot up and initialize in multiplayer mode if you disable FSUIPC.

It may be a dumb question but if the aircraft loads fine with fsuipc in free mode and loads fine without fsuipc in multiplayer mode but  doesn't load fine only with fsuipc in multiplayer mode, why are you incriminating PMDG 747 and not fsuipc?

Do you have other addons loading fine with fsuipc in multiplayer?

Is fsuipc given to work fine with the multiplayer mode?

Dan,

maybe you and your friends could check out JoinFS. It‘s free to use and as far as I know there are no issues with the PMDG airplanes, even the 747 should work properly.