I had a small little problem when I flew tutorial 1. The problem was when I got close enough to EHAM and asked for permission to land they told me to land on runway 32C. Now I had clear skies set so not sure why I got this message. I just ignored it and landed at 18R But the option to land at runway 18R was not available. Of course I got fussed at for an unauthorized landing but they will get over it. Not sure why this happened. But like I said it was a minor problem.

I have to admit this plane handles like a dream It does not zigzag all over the sky while on approach I was using a manual approach not the autopilot . I usually save that for Category 2 or 3 approach which is when you need it.

As for the Nav data out of date I use a  sight that allows me to pick which AIRC cycle I want to use for a flight plan and problem solved.

Thanks for such a great product

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, Gary M Buska said:

I had a small little problem when I flew tutorial 1. The problem was when I got close enough to EHAM and asked for permission to land they told me to land on runway 32C. Now I had clear skies set so not sure why I got this message. I just ignored it and landed at 18R But the option to land at runway 18R was not available. Of course I got fussed at for an unauthorized landing but they will get over it. Not sure why this happened. But like I said it was a minor problem.

I have to admit this plane handles like a dream It does not zigzag all over the sky while on approach I was using a manual approach not the autopilot . I usually save that for Category 2 or 3 approach which is when you need it.

As for the Nav data out of date I use a  sight that allows me to pick which AIRC cycle I want to use for a flight plan and problem solved.

Thanks for such a great product

 

 

Gary the tutorial if I remember correctly meant to be flown without any ATC. Especially the build in ATC is.... I prefer not to comment :)

enjoy it ;) 

On 12/30/2017 at 10:51 AM, Olympic260 said:

 

Gary the tutorial if I remember correctly meant to be flown without any ATC. Especially the build in ATC is.... I prefer not to comment :)

enjoy it ;) 

I am aware of that But if you do not call the tower you can not get permission to land and once again you will be fussed at.

I fly a lot without atc but the trick is to know which runway is active at your destination. Since I use Active Sky 2016 and Active Sky Cloud Art it will tell me what runway('s) are active so I just set my flight plan accordingly.

All they had to do was to find out what runway was being used with clear skies and no wind

so the next time I flew it I changed the destination runway and used a different STAR and had no problem.

But like I said a minor problem

All one has to do is to go to the destination airport and find out what runway is being used. My self I prefer to fly using real world weather and not the one in FSX

As I stated I use Active Sky 2016 and it creates real world weather for every way point in my flight plan.

If you have never made a Category 3 landing you have not lived. It definitely takes nerves of steal as you do not see the runway until moments before landing.

2 hours ago, Gary M Buska said:

Since I use Active Sky 2016 and Active Sky Cloud Art it will tell me what runway('s) are active so I just set my flight plan accordingly.

I haven't used the default ATC since the first months after the release of FSX which must be back some time in 2006, but I think it takes only the wind into consideration for the runway in use and not the airport real procedures which may be highly unrealistic compared to the real world.

In the real world, there are many other factors than the wind to define the runway in use:

_ noise abatement, terrain, visibility and ceiling (with the equipment of the runways), areas not to overfly for various reasons, separation of departing and arriving traffic between different runways...

In the AIP, you may find good indications of the runways in use and may often see such things as a runway may be in use up to 5kt tailwind... which will tell use that below such a wind component, the runway will be in use no matter where the wind is from.

I believe that the default ATC will pick any runway that will give you the best headwind component.

Regarding EHAM,

you can find useful info here:

http://www.ais-netherlands.nl/aim/2017-12-21-AIRAC/html/index-en-GB.html

(AD 2.21 - chapter 4 Runway in use).

You will see that the wind in not the only factor considered.

For exemple, the wind criterias for estimation of runway friction Good, are max 7kt tailwind and 20kt crosswind.

 

On this site one can easely find out what the runway in use is, for arrivals and/or for departures.

This is a real live situation, and as AS16 uses RW weather, you can safely rely on it for your simulation purposes.

There are many more sites where one can find such information.

Edited January 1, 20188 yr by headley
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6 hours ago, Gary M Buska said:

I am aware of that But if you do not call the tower you can not get permission to land and once again you will be fussed at.

You won't be fussed at if ATC is turned off.  Keep it off, the default is worthless in that it lacks any resemblance of realism.  It turns a high fidelity simulation into an arcade game.

And if you really want to work with ATC, i can only advice you to fly online (Vatsim or IVAO).  Especially EHAM is one of the most manned airports in Europe and beyond.

They WILL use real world procedures witch will enhances your simulation experience.

Default ATC is garbage. Don't use it, particularly with out planes.

The levels of realism do not align. Please ensure to follow the tutorials to the letter - to include not using ATC.

I completely agree the default ATC is a joke and not even close to the real world ATC. I used to work at KJAX (Jacksonville International) and was a load planner so I am completely aware of what the real world ATC uses to set an active runway but the wind is a major factor the one thing that is number one is you do not want any tail wind factors. Most people are not aware that when deciding which runway to land or take off from you have to know the wind speed and direction and then figure out how much cross wind and tail wind factors there are because every aircraft is different and is designed to handle only a specified amount of cross wind and tail wind it can deal with.

You would not be-leave the size of the books for each aircraft they are about as big as an unabridged dictionary and tell you every thing you need to know about a specific aircraft.

As a load planner I had to know all of the factors involved including which runway to takeoff and land. What degree of flaps and had to create a weight and balance sheet that the pilot had to sign 

you also have to be prepared to create all of these things with out no computer and you would not believe what is involved to do that. With power it takes about 15 to 25 minuets without power it can take you an hour and longer depending on the weather and type of aircraft.

The only job in aviation that has more pressure is a Air Traffic Controller. I am surprised that I still have hair as I wanted to pull it out more than once.

As I stated most people have no idea as to what is involved to create a simple flight on a clear day under normal conditions. trust me it is no picnic when the weather goes bad the Sugar Honey Ice Tea hits the fan big time and than throw in a diversion or two and forget sanity as it goes out the window in a heart beat.

I prefer to fly with ATC even though I know it is not accurate especially when they tell you about an approaching aircraft near you by the time they tell you the plane could have hit you as it has already gone past you. I laugh every time I hear an AI aircraft say they have you in sight when you are behind them. I never knew planes had rear view mirrors on them.

I use FSMAP which shows me AI traffic and lets me know ahead of time when a plane gets to close. At busy airports I will tun off traffic because ATC does not stack traffic the way it should.

But it is what it is so you just go from there.

On 1/1/2018 at 0:14 PM, headley said:

On this site one can easely find out what the runway in use is, for arrivals and/or for departures.

This is a real live situation, and as AS16 uses RW weather, you can safely rely on it for your simulation purposes.

There are many more sites where one can find such information.

I used to use this but now I use Active Sky 2016 as it tells me the same thing and uses the actual weather at every single way point in your flight plan and lets you know everything you need to know

I also use Active Sky Cloud art to create realistic clouds to go along with the weather.

It really makes it seem realistic.

7 minutes ago, Gary M Buska said:

I completely agree the default ATC is a joke and not even close to the real world ATC. I used to work at KJAX (Jacksonville International) and was a load planner so I am completely aware of what the real world ATC uses to set an active runway but the wind is a major factor the one thing that is number one is you do not want any tail wind factors. Most people are not aware that when deciding which runway to land or take off from you have to know the wind speed and direction and then figure out how much cross wind and tail wind factors there are because every aircraft is different and is designed to handle only a specified amount of cross wind and tail wind it can deal with.

You would not be-leave the size of the books for each aircraft they are about as big as an unabridged dictionary and tell you every thing you need to know about a specific aircraft.

As a load planner I had to know all of the factors involved including which runway to takeoff and land. What degree of flaps and had to create a weight and balance sheet that the pilot had to sign 

you also have to be prepared to create all of these things with out no computer and you would not believe what is involved to do that. With power it takes about 15 to 25 minuets without power it can take you an hour and longer depending on the weather and type of aircraft.

The only job in aviation that has more pressure is a Air Traffic Controller. I am surprised that I still have hair as I wanted to pull it out more than once.

As I stated most people have no idea as to what is involved to create a simple flight on a clear day under normal conditions. trust me it is no picnic when the weather goes bad the Sugar Honey Ice Tea hits the fan big time and than throw in a diversion or two and forget sanity as it goes out the window in a heart beat.

I prefer to fly with ATC even though I know it is not accurate especially when they tell you about an approaching aircraft near you by the time they tell you the plane could have hit you as it has already gone past you. I laugh every time I hear an AI aircraft say they have you in sight when you are behind them. I never knew planes had rear view mirrors on them.

I use FSMAP which shows me AI traffic and lets me know ahead of time when a plane gets to close. At busy airports I will tun off traffic because ATC does not stack traffic the way it should.

But it is what it is so you just go from there.

I am actually completely aware, to include the ATC side, thank you.

As for your point about performance, though, it doesn't really make sense in the context of us asking you to set clear weather. As such, wind isn't a factor.

Honestly, when learning things, it's best to minimize distractions. Weather, traffic, other programs, and so on, are all distractions. If you're going to fly the tutorial, and want to follow it, make sure to follow it to the letter - to include minimizing the distractions (particularly weather). This will aid in the learning process.

If you're going to go teach someone (or even learn yourself) how to drive a standard/stick/manual transmission, the best way to start someone out is in a parking lot, in decent weather...not in the middle of a busy town, with snow on the road.

23 hours ago, scandinavian13 said:

I am actually completely aware, to include the ATC side, thank you.

As for your point about performance, though, it doesn't really make sense in the context of us asking you to set clear weather. As such, wind isn't a factor.

Honestly, when learning things, it's best to minimize distractions. Weather, traffic, other programs, and so on, are all distractions. If you're going to fly the tutorial, and want to follow it, make sure to follow it to the letter - to include minimizing the distractions (particularly weather). This will aid in the learning process.

If you're going to go teach someone (or even learn yourself) how to drive a standard/stick/manual transmission, the best way to start someone out is in a parking lot, in decent weather...not in the middle of a busy town, with snow on the road.

Now where is the fun doing that

As for the wind not being a factor try landing a B747-400 on runway 36 with a wind blowing at 40 MPH at 090 degrees. That would be almost insane to even attempt as you would be landing in a high cross wind. Check out some of the videos of real world pilots making landings in high cross winds it is crazy i would have hated to be a passenger on any of those flights.

Talk about crabbing holly cow

So wind can be a very important factor but on a clear sky with no wind no issue at all

But I think we are getting off the subject here a little the bottom line is it was not a big deal and I did land at the runway the tutorial stated so no problem

check this out

 

Gary, when you ask a question about the tutorial other users expect that you are in the stadium of learning master the plane, then you don't want wind and/or ATC to disturb you.

 

2 hours ago, Gary M Buska said:

As for the wind not being a factor try landing a B747-400 on runway 36 with a wind blowing at 40 MPH at 090 degrees. That would be almost insane to even attempt as you would be landing in a high cross wind. Check out some of the videos of real world pilots making landings in high cross winds it is crazy i would have hated to be a passenger on any of those flights.

I don't think Kyle was saying that wind is *never* a factor, he was saying that the tutorial specifically tells you to clear all the weather and therefore in that specific scenario wind is not a factor.

The way to look at the tutorial is rather like a sim detail that real pilots would complete as part of conversion training. The early details of any jet conversion course are normally set to relatively clear and calm weather conditions and with no interaction with ATC -- because the objective is to get to grips with how to operate the aircraft in the absence of any distractions. Of course, as the course progresses then these other elements will be added in, but it's about walking before you run.

That, I would imagine, is why the tutorial asks you not to use any ATC -- so that you can just follow the steps and understand/learn how to use the aeroplane's features rather than have ATC changing your plans and/or asking you to do something that you haven't learnt how to do yet.

Yeah - my issue here is that the Tutorial is being called into question, but it's not being followed.

If you want to be able to follow the tutorial, make sure to follow the requests of the tutorial - to include the lack of weather.

I never said wind isn't a factor in flying. I said that it isn't a factor in the tutorial because we ask you to clear the weather, and that there's a reason for that. Looks like attention should be called to reading things in completeness.