It seems to be that a lot of people are starting to go towards the "Retro" style Classic airliners, while a lot of other people are concentrating on the lack of a PMDG or Level-D quality Airbus, that a majority of FS2004 users seemed to have forgetten the fact that to this day, no PMDG or Level-D quality 777 has ever been developed for the MSFS series.I have the greatest of respect for PSS, but all the versions of their 777 panels have never been developed up to the standard of PMDG or Level-D, while FeelThere has openely stated that their 777-200ER product is not a Pilot In Command product but rather a Fleet product, which basically means that the FeelThere 777-200ER panel has been some what dumbed-down with regards to systems and FMC complexity.I'm all for Classic-style airliners, in fact the 747-300 and L1011-200 are my favorite classic airliners, but the 777-200ER is such a beautiful and high-tech plane that it's easily become my all-time favorite airliner. In fact, with all due respect to PMDG, I always wanted PMDG to develop a highly detailed 777-200ER for FS2004 before the 747-400. I still feel a great satisfaction that PMDG developed the 747-400, because that plane is also one of my favorites, but can you guys just imagine what a 777-200ER would be like if it was developed with the **EXACT** same standard of the PMDG 747-400? In fact, imagine having the 777's unique electronic checklist plus the unique electronic flight bag (EFB) all in one highly detailed 777-200ER package from PMDG.What do you guys think???? :)Regards,

I think the PSS -200 is fantastic. JUST as good, just as detailed as the PMDG 747. I get much enjoyment out of it. Especially when you give a nice soundset.

>I think the PSS -200 is fantastic. JUST as good, just as>detailed as the PMDG 747. I get much enjoyment out of it.>Especially when you give a nice soundset.If you honestly feel this way, then you are not using the 744 to it's full potential.The two products do not play in the same league, nor do the people behind them.

A lot of people have been spoiled by the quality of the Level D and PMDG airliner simulations. Yes they are the best modern jet airliner simulations but The PSS777, especially after the recent update, is not that far behind. It is really a nice bird. I would rank it fourth after the Level D767,PMDG 737 and 747 as the "modern" jet airliner I most frequently fly. Of course I also love to fly the classic jets and there are some great ones like the Dreamfleet/CS 727s, the 742 RFP, Feelthere's 737PIC, CS 707, Aerosim's Tristar, David Matby's Bac one eleven, and a host of others I am probably forgetting. Never before have we had so many quality airliner simulations to choose from (Turboprops and GA too).

Hello Flyhalf:I totally concede that the PSS offerings are not quite in the league with the PMDG and Level-D birds relative to complexity and detail (technical issues, not looks or dynamics). In that light, it pretty well puts PSS equal to most of anything else out there IMHO.However, that being said thank goodness they are not in that league from a purchase price standpoint either. In fact if you are not too greedy relative to repaints, you can just about purchase everything PSS has (particular on sale as PSS has done on occasion) for the price of the full 737 PMDG package. If everybodies favorite plane was offered, but only in PMDG format, WOW, but think of the price.I realize this is something rated in the eye of the beholder, but from a QUALITY standpoint, without all of these bells and whistles the DF727 has just about become my bird of choice.I think it is great to have these multiple options.Regards and happy flying:RTH

PMDG 747-400 and 747-400F ~ $85 USPMDG 737NG, entire series ~ $68 USPSS 777 Multipack ~ $80 USJustFlight's 777 CD drops that to ~ $69 USNow unless my math (the Google currency converter actually) is wrong, I don't see the price advantage you do, unless you only purchase a single model at $35 US, a whole 4 bucks less than I paid for the LDS767.EDIT: Just to say I understand the world market tells a different story depending in where you live, and that I understand US pricing may not factor for much of the community, but it does for me.

Generally speaking it's kind of interesting to note that whenever PSS is mentioned, PMDG and LDS are never too far away sentence-wise. It's really sort of a back handed compliment, as if the level of complexity that PSS does bring is so much higher than average it makes one expect them to go further to get them to the highest 'level'.As a matter of fact, it is superior to the 767 in terms of VC funtionaliry and simple ease of use, and superior to both 767 and 744 in terms of ease of fuel loading and of course integrated wx radar. Now patched, Rob Young's fdes make them a dream to fly as well.I'm not daft - of course I see the differences, and wish the general gap were closed too, but for me and others, I guess we are the 'hardcore lite' who never use failures etc, the 777 is really not a 'step down' for normal ops.regards,Markhttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/mar.../sup_banner.jpgXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1024mb/X700pro256

The PSS 772 is the best plane i ever bought for FS9. Comes with a weatherradar and very good FPS, neither PMDG or LEVEL-D can match that.

I like them all... :-hah

Remember this is a simulator. Meaning to simulate as close to the real thing as possible. PSS does not "simulate" as well as PMDG or LDS....period. No ifs, ands or buts. After 6000 hrs of the real flying I should have a few credentials to allow me to say so. I think many other fellow aviators could back me up on my claim.

Is this a "WORKING" weather radar or just a random one. I know one panel from somebody has a "fun" radar.Just to be clear, the PMDG 737s do not have a radar nor I believe does their 747. For the 737 I use a third party non-supported panel merge of PMDG 737 and Reality-XP earlier version of their WX500 radar to get radar on the ND. The other option is to install a seperate radar gauge on the panel or use as a pop-up.

I don't really the point in having a Wx Radar when you're looking 4 closest/hardcore simulation... really.Weather radars in FS nowadays are more close to goodies/eye candy than a realistically simulated feature because FS generated weather itself is NOT realistic enough... even with the FANTASTIC AS6 addon.PMDG said it more than once... they will develop a Wx Radar when they think it would be done the right way...

In my opinion, PSS has the best panel and dynamics. That's why I'm waiting (patiently) for the 757. I can actually read the letters and gauges on the PSS panel but have to squint a little to view the PMDG and LevelD panels (yes, I have the latest and greatest system). I do enjoy flying those aircraft too as they both have great flight dynamics and sounds. Just wish they could make the panels a little clearer. That's my two cents....JimYoung

This is the one custom coded into the 777 nd:http://members.chello.at/addongauges/FSWXR...er%20Manual.pdfIt 'works' quite accurately in as far as fs9 and/or wx addons 'simulate' weather.regards,Markhttp://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a319/mar.../sup_banner.jpgXPHomeSP2/FS9.1/3.2HT/1024mb/X700pro256

I dont have any problem with reading the pmdg or lds panels and thats without my glasses.