1 hour ago, Wise87 said:

 As far as the rumors of a load shift, it was headed to the boneyard so it was probably empty with bare equipment seeing we pull all the serviceable items before we ship them off. 

Yeah, I read in the news today that it was supposed to be the last flight for this aircraft.

2 hours ago, Wise87 said:

As far a recent prop issues, this is the first I heard of a trend. I’ll be intestested in what the accident investigation board finds.

The KC-130 that went down over Nashville was from a prop failure. The entire #2 prop came off, sliced through the fuselage and into the #3 engine, causing it to come off and hit the tail. The plane went down uncontrollably and came apart. As it turned out, the contractor that last overhauled the prop was doing so improperly, causing it to detach at the hub. Inspections found further aircraft with the same defect. However they only worked on Marine aircraft, air force planes were worked on by a different contractor.

22 hours ago, KevinAu said:

Rather than a stall, it looked more like a vmc roll. As the video starts, you can see it was already yawing to the left before losing complete control and rolling over to the left. Probably an engine or propeller failure. C-130s have had issues with their propellers recently.

My feeling is was a dramatic shift in the CG causing an accelerated stall, caused by a cargo shift. Similar thing happened to a 747 Cargo aircraft many years ago. Losing one prop shouldn't have caused that kind of a problem. Since engine out procedures are part of their constant training, I can't see that having a prop or engine failure on takeoff would result in this catastrophic loss of control 

Edited May 4, 20188 yr by Bobsk8

Sorry, I don’t see that at all. The plane was not pitching up violently and does not even look like it was at a very high angle of attack. It also was not likely to have any cargo since it was being ferried to the boneyard. The National 747 that crashed in Bagram did not actually crash because of the cg shift from the mrap that broke loose, for it rolled only a few feet. It crashed because the mrap that broke loose went a few feet into the aft bulkhead, which broke the horizontal stab jack screw, allowing the stab to float free, into a full nose up position. That is what caused the pitch up and stall. Not a cg shift.

29 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I can't see that having a prop or engine failure on takeoff would result in this catastrophic loss of control 

A runaway prop is like having a reverser deploy in flight. Bad. Even if you do everything right, you’re still probably going to crash. And it’s something you may have only seen once in initial training. Not like the simple engine failures done commonly during recurrent.

Edited May 4, 20188 yr by KevinAu

2 minutes ago, KevinAu said:

A runaway prop is like having a reverser deploy in flight. Bad. Even if you do everything right, you’re still probably going to crash. And it’s something you may have only seen once in initial training. Not like the simple engine failures done commonly during recurrent.

OK, didn't realize that. 

A runaway prop seems very plausible from this angle of cctv of the crash.

https://youtu.be/ldwWfQb4Odo?t=2m36s

EDIT: top right corner of the video.

 

Edited May 7, 20188 yr by N2382R

It's sickening watching it fly sideways...and it appears the pilot pulled the nose up to try and arrest the decent, and that just exacerbated the risk of left wing stall.

Seems like there have been numerous incidents where an engine entered uncommanded Beta. Here's one that resulted in an accident...

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19940923-0

and another

https://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690324-1

Edited May 7, 20188 yr by N2382R