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Ok, so I had a thread here about some new, very glitzy Gold and Silver ram sticks....

And now the thread is gone.

I'm not even sure who to ask why, since no explanation is/was given, and I don't even know which mod to contact.

At first, I just wanted to sigh and walk away, but I would really love to know why. The only thing I can conceivably think of is because the first stick of ram shown was gold, I mentioned that even Trump (who likes gold things) would like it in his machine.

That can't possibly be a reason for deleting a thread, can it? 🤨

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18 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Ok, so I had a thread here about some new, very glitzy Gold and Silver ram sticks....

And now the thread is gone.

I'm not even sure who to ask why, since no explanation is/was given, and I don't even know which mod to contact.

At first, I just wanted to sigh and walk away, but I would really love to know why. The only thing I can conceivably think of is because the first stick of ram shown was gold, I mentioned that even Trump (who likes gold things) would like it in his machine.

That can't possibly be a reason for deleting a thread, can it? 🤨

Hard to tell really. There is some guy I think his name is Jim. I believe he runs things since we lost Tom. I would just PM and ask him. That name may have been added to the list of words we can't say.

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Please refrain from making political statements in any of the forums.  That is why your thread/topic was deleted.

P.S. Not by me only because I did not see it as soon as another Mod did.

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18 minutes ago, FunknNasty said:

I was in total awe of the cubic zirconia incrusted ram modules.

I have it on good authority that they are going to add 10-20 FPS to P3D and for x-plain it will be more like double the FPS.

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15 minutes ago, charliearon said:

Please refrain from making political statements in any of the forums.  That is why your thread/topic was deleted.

P.S. Not by me only because I did not see it as soon as another Mod did.

Political comment? Where! Mr Trump has been shown to like gold fixtures. It's a known thing in the public domain and something he's very proud of.  The ram was very shiny gold and very fancy, so I said it's something he would like. That's political? Seriously?

Would it be political if I posted a video of him touring his private plane with all the gold fixtures? How..... I don't even know how to react.

I know I could get banned, but that's just silly. 

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5 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

I don't even know how to react.  

I would not go there. To resist is futile. Not worth it.

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8 minutes ago, shivers9 said:

I would not go there. To resist is futile. Not worth it.

I know..... It's just so frustrating. I feel like I have to tiptoe posting here nowadays. It's the only sim forum where I double and triple question myself before posting anything, and then you still get deleted. 😕

I posted this same thread in two other forums with not the slightest issue.

Bleah

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In my post I should have used the term controversial instead of political.  Even though you did not mean to, this is considered trolling/inciting.  You used a term or word that may make others respond negatively.

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1 hour ago, HiFlyer said:

but that's just silly.

Where have I heard that before?  Some other member in the community use to say that was silly all of the time.  I have to admit your comments did not appear to be "silly" or political.  The name "Trump" just angers some and some, who have no issues with him, have only nice comments to say.  In any case, it triggers a conversation that could rapidly go South.  I know when President Obama was in charge, if anyone said "Obama" in a conversation, certain factions in the community would have a stroke and immediately tell others we can't talk about him or what he's doing to the United States.  "Let's don't talk about Obama.  I don't think it is appropriate in these forums".  But we didn't say anything about what he's doing to the United States.  It was automatically inferred in many Liberal and Democratic minds a discussion is about to take place about what he did wrong (if he ever did anything wrong) and they wanted to make sure he was protected.  It was a keyword that immediately offended or gave one the opportunity to say nice things depending on a person's political beliefs.  If I said the name "Jesus" or "God" in a sentence here in these forums, that would create massive good or bad thoughts too depending on religious beliefs. 

So I do agree with Charlie, our moderator, who considers anything political or religious as trolling/inciting our membership to continue the conversation, good or bad.  There are plenty of places on the Internet where one can discuss politics and religion and world affairs.  I do know that politics and religion is discussed in aircraft hangers around the world but even there, they try to control it as their supervisor might not like the discussions. 

I am getting ready for Thanksgiving Day on Thursday where many families get together and give thanks.  There will be a large crowd.   I am very political and have already been advised not to discuss politics by higher ups.  Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving Day too Devon!

Best regards,

Jim

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

Hope you have a nice Thanksgiving Day too Devon!

Thank you, You as well.

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Surely one could wait to see if the conversation went ‘south’ before hiding the threading the possibility that it ‘might’? Sometimes we can be trusted to have mature discussions. And not all of us are from the USA or care about its politics. 

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3 hours ago, KL Oo said:

Surely one could wait to see if the conversation went ‘south’ before hiding the threading the possibility that it ‘might’? Sometimes we can be trusted to have mature discussions. And not all of us are from the USA or care about its politics. 

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8 hours ago, KL Oo said:

Surely one could wait to see if the conversation went ‘south’ before hiding the threading the possibility that it ‘might’? Sometimes we can be trusted to have mature discussions. And not all of us are from the USA or care about its politics. 

 

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Just deleting the offending sentence and then informing him would have been sufficient. Rather than nuking an entire thread that me and others were interested in.

I would request that the mods return the thread (if just hidden) with the offending sentence removed. 

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Deleting threads because there MIGHT be risk of it POSSIBLY "going south" has become the norm here I'm afraid. I had a thread deleted for exactly the same reason. I use to love Avsim. It was my second home. Now sadly, it's just a tool I use.

I said it before, and I'm ot afraid to say it again, Tom would hate it!

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There we see it again, ragging on Avsim because of what is in nature a political schism in the USA , the mere mention of the name of the last two Presidents brings civilized discourse to a dead stop . Its more than discouraging to watch happen with such regularity .

I for one am ready to see these names in our forbidden list as they cant seemingly be used without ranchor as the consequence.

 

Best CJ

 

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the mere mention of the name of the last two Presidents brings civilized discourse to a dead stop

 

With respect... that didn't happen. Nothing happened. A certain presidents name was mentioned and there was no response regarding this from anyone  at all, all was well... then the thread was deleted. It was "shoot first and ask questions later". Thus an interesting thread was removed despite no bad behaviour after several further replies. 

Again... the offending sentence could have been removed, the poster informed, and the thread remains. 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Chuck_Jodry-VJPL said:

There we see it again, ragging on Avsim because of what is in nature a political schism in the USA , the mere mention of the name of the last two Presidents brings civilized discourse to a dead stop . Its more than discouraging to watch happen with such regularity .

I for one am ready to see these names in our forbidden list as they cant seemingly be used without ranchor as the consequence.

 

Best CJ

 

And i believe the "ragging" as you put it will only continue to rise while such Draconian moderation is implemented.

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33 minutes ago, Chuck_Jodry-VJPL said:

There we see it again, ragging on Avsim because of what is in nature a political schism in the USA , the mere mention of the name of the last two Presidents brings civilized discourse to a dead stop . Its more than discouraging to watch happen with such regularity .

I for one am ready to see these names in our forbidden list as they cant seemingly be used without ranchor as the consequence.

 

Best CJ

 

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52 minutes ago, martin-w said:

Again... the offending sentence could have been removed, the poster informed, and the thread remains.

We do not edit or delete a post.  We may remove a link, embed something, but we do not edit your comments in any way.  If it is offensive, abusive, trolling/inciting, or otherwise violates the AVSIM Terms of Service such as a copyright, porno, or piracy, then we will remove the post or thread.  No reason for our membership to see your anger and offensive comments.  Please abide by the AVSIM Terms of Service when posting under the rules and policies tab.  Those are the same rules developed by Tom and past members of the staff (I had no say whatsoever in the ToS).  We cannot tell you exactly how to write anything and stay within the framework of the AVSIM ToS as I believe everyone is intelligent enough to understand the rules of conduct in any forum.  Instead of being offensive and posting a new thread when one of our moderators does something you do not appreciate and you are totally ready to destroy something because of his/her action, send me a PM and we can discuss.

1 hour ago, Dougal said:

Deleting threads because there MIGHT be risk of it POSSIBLY "going south" has become the norm here I'm afraid. I had a thread deleted for exactly the same reason. I use to love Avsim. It was my second home. Now sadly, it's just a tool I use.

I said it before, and I'm ot afraid to say it again, Tom would hate it!

 

1 hour ago, Dougal said:

And i believe the "ragging" as you put it will only continue to rise while such Draconian moderation is implemented.

@dougal:  Phil, that is about as abusive as anyone can get - name calling with "Draconian moderation".  Yes, you hit me square in the chest and heart.  I have been publicly shamed.  I remember when you were undergoing some major life-threatening surgery and I wished you well.  The AVSIM Staff and other members of the community did the same.  You were asking for our thoughts and prayers and we gave them to you.  I think it might have helped.  Is this what AVSIM Staff gets for trying to be kind and considerate to our members?  You have been very abusive to me and the AVSIM moderators from Day 1 when you first joined AVSIM (not just to the current team).  I am telling you this publicly as you are very public when you decide to bash the AVSIM Staff.  As Tom would say, "please do not do this again".  You are definitely the leader of the community that causes a topic to "go South".

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Instead of being offensive and posting a new thread when one of our moderators does something you do not appreciate and you are totally ready to destroy something because of his/her action, send me a PM and we can discuss.

 

Huh... me? I haven't been offensive and didn't start a new thread. Someone else started the thread.

P.S. Phil's use of the word "Draconian simply means harsh, severe. 🙂

 

 

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The general public doesn't understand forum moderation, it's one of those things that until you've done it for a few years, you just don't fully understand the complexities.  I thought I did before I started moderating, and I changed my attitude after a few years of doing so. 

That said, the public certainly has the right to complain or call something out, and I'll be the first to admit that I've made moderation mistakes and I probably will again because I'm human.  But in this case, I have to agree with the removal of the thread as a preemptive measure.  I do not believe it was presumptive, especially given the nature of both our hobby (very assertive people, not a lot of respect for others opinion overall) and the venue.

Given that our hobby has really smart people in it, but also more than our fair share of Type-As, moderation and associated premptive measure is truly warranted.  Believe me, I deal with it all the time.

As moderators gain experience, they can help curb things before the become issues in the forums and the long term affect of this is to make a venue more friendly or at least less adversarial. 

Best wishes to all!

 

 

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8 minutes ago, DaveCT2003 said:

The general public doesn't understand forum moderation, it's one of those things that until you've done it for a few years, you just don't fully understand the complexities. 

 

 

 

I do. I was a moderator over at Just Flight for many years. Still am but not currently active. It's not easy being a moderator that's for sure. My approach and that of JF admin and other mods was... if we were dealing with a single word in an otherwise harmless thread we would edit it, then inform the poster. That way a thread that was of great interest would remain and all was well.

 

It's up to Avsim to decide what they want to do here of course, that is their right. But I fully understand the dismay of the OP and the opinion that there was a better way. I mean he wasn't even informed what had gone on until he started a new thread. 

 

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OP could be asked to edit his post and the topic could be suspended until he edited.

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