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Flightbeam KDEN versus KIAD

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Hi all,

I have Flightbeam’s KSFO and love it (unfortunately SODE doesn’t work on pc)! I was debating either getting their KDEN or KIAD. I am planning on getting the PMDG 747-8 expansion along with one of these, just wondering which one you believe to be better. 

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Simon S.

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I personally could not choose between 2 or any Flightbeam products - they are all a super, wonderful, awesome, great, ect. value! 

I look forward to any and every thing from them - a day 1 purchase in every case for me.:smile: 

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I have both, and IMHO you can't go wrong with either one. Frankly, you should just get both, at least when your flight simming budget allows.

I guess if I had to choose just on it would be KIAD, for no other particular reason other than it is physically near my home, and I have flown in and out of it many times, so it's more "familiar" to me than KDEN.

 

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I have both and I would only if I had to chose one, go for KIAD because it’s closer to other airports I like to fly to. KBOS and JFK. KDEN is a masterpiece but it’s a bit out the way for me. KPNX-KDEN is nice but still I bit long for my taste.

Look at were you want to fly to and from and see what fits your needs best.

There both the best of the best.

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5 hours ago, pilot10112 said:

(unfortunately SODE doesn’t work on pc)

simon

this is more than curious ..... how / why, let us know.

neither kden nor kiad have sode "yet" if that is a consideration.

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Ok! Thanks for all the help. I am a student and am gone lots of the time, but I live near pdx and fly mostly long hauls I have flown into both of those airports twice. From a long haul perspective what would you recommend?

Simon S.

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5 hours ago, pilot10112 said:

(unfortunately SODE doesn’t work on pc)

simon ..... please explain !

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1 minute ago, vadriver said:

simon

this is more than curious ..... how / why, let us know.

neither kden nor kiad have sode "yet" if that is a consideration.

That is why I am looking at these products. When I try to install sode v1.6.3 it gives me the warning halfway through that a “windows installer package could not be run please contact.” I click ok end it shuts down every time. I have tried it every way I know how.

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3 minutes ago, pilot10112 said:

That is why I am looking at these products

simon

they will have sode jetways in the short / near term.

suggest you contact flightbeam or sode(12bpilot) for advice on your's (beyond me, sorry)

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5 minutes ago, vadriver said:

simon

they will have sode jetways in the short / near term.

suggest you contact flightbeam or sode(12bpilot) for advice on your's (beyond me, sorry)

Ok thanks for the help. I have tried to contact 12bpilot but the site is blocked on my pc. I will try through my phone, thanks!

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16 minutes ago, pilot10112 said:

That is why I am looking at these products. When I try to install sode v1.6.3 it gives me the warning halfway through that a “windows installer package could not be run please contact.” I click ok end it shuts down every time. I have tried it every way I know how.

most likely  it  could  be  your  av  or  malware   that's preventing  it  to  complete  or  you  could  have  a corrupted  download

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56 minutes ago, pilot10112 said:

Ok! Thanks for all the help. I am a student and am gone lots of the time, but I live near pdx and fly mostly long hauls I have flown into both of those airports twice. From a long haul perspective what would you recommend?

Hi Simon.  Because you indicated you wanted the 747-8 expansion, I would recommend KIAD since Lufthansa operates daily round trip flights (DLH419/418) to/from Frankfurt (EDDF).  Based on some cursory research, I could not find any 747-8 service into KDEN.

I also use Aerosoft's EDDF to make the round trips more enjoyable.  They did a very nice job with the Frankfurt airport.

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I have both, but KDEN takes about 25 minutes just to taxi to the runway. So I use KIAD more, and also for the reason that David suggested too.

 

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8 minutes ago, Jude Bradley said:

I have both, but KDEN takes about 25 minutes just to taxi to the runway. So I use KIAD more, and also for the reason that David suggested too.

 

Lol... I just did my 1st outbound flight from KDEN yesterday. I started off at gate C46, and had to taxi to runway 26. About halfway to the runway I was beginning to wonder if ATC was giving me vectors to drive to Baltimore. It also made me wonder if I had put enough fuel on board.

Both airports are very well done and you can't go wrong with either. Having been to Dulles Airport several times in real life, I can vouch for the fact that Flightbeam did a wonderful job representing a lousy Airport.

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1 hour ago, MDFlier said:

Lol... I just did my 1st outbound flight from KDEN yesterday. I started off at gate C46, and had to taxi to runway 26. About halfway to the runway I was beginning to wonder if ATC was giving me vectors to drive to Baltimore. It also made me wonder if I had put enough fuel on board.

Sounds like the problem is with ATC.  IRL, when winds favor takeoff and arrival to the west 26 would be the normal arrival runway and 25 would be used for departures.

KDEN is actually well designed to produce short taxi distances for both arrivals and departures under most wx conditions.  But if you're sent to what would normally be an arrival runway for the given conditions then yep, you're basically going to find yourself taxing the entire length of the runway plus some, and given the high elevation, all of KDEN's runways are lengthy.  But that's not how the airport is designed to work.

Scott

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1 hour ago, tttocs said:

Sounds like the problem is with ATC.  IRL, when winds favor takeoff and arrival to the west 26 would be the normal arrival runway and 25 would be used for departures.

KDEN is actually well designed to produce short taxi distances for both arrivals and departures under most wx conditions.  But if you're sent to what would normally be an arrival runway for the given conditions then yep, you're basically going to find yourself taxing the entire length of the runway plus some, and given the high elevation, all of KDEN's runways are lengthy.  But that's not how the airport is designed to work.

Scott

I have always wondered this as well. P3D ATC seems to always choose the runway that is most inconvenient, ATC at KDEN always chooses runway 26 which is like a 30 minute Taxi, SO annoying!!

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IMO, KDEN is very well done, my only complaint is the grass looks like you are taxiing through the African Safari... in their more recent sceneries the grass is better

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Depends on what type of flights you fly, I would say. Both airports are gorgeously designed.

KDEN is perfect for those short hops into the mountains and to the west coast with the Q400/NGX/A320. 

KIAD is a perfect airport for long haul ops. You can fly one of many United routes or have your pick or international routes. If you’re buying the 747-8, FRA-IAD on LH seems appropriate. 

Denver has the better performance, but that’s more a factor of the surrounding area being rather empty than the quality of the scenery. 

Personally, I would go with KIAD, just because of how versatile it is with the number of flights you can fly out of there. 

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I really do like them both. I used GSX to replace the jetways at both airports with clear ones that have the airport logos on them.

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I own KSFO, KPHX, KDEN, KIAD and KMSP and they are excellent.  After KSFO, my favorite is KMSP and well worth considering. 

Grace and Peace, 

 

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32 minutes ago, Bluestar said:

I own KSFO, KPHX, KDEN, KIAD and KMSP and they are excellent.  After KSFO, my favorite is KMSP and well worth considering. 

Grace and Peace, 

 

Agreed. All their stuff is excellent, but there’s just something about KMSP.  Superb workmanship and a joy to fly in to and out of. 

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KDEN is my home airport, and it's mostly well-done, but here we are years later and Mir STILL hasn't solved the problem of trees growing on some of the parking ramps.

Arrgh.

 

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Ok sounds great! I am once again torn. KIAD is better for 747-8. While KDEN has a tricky approach which I love!  I will make up my mind and let you all know. 

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54 minutes ago, pilot10112 said:

 I will make up my mind and let you all know

but not before you fix sode :wink:

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