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My response (not accusation!) to simbol has been taken way out of context by several who don't read the full post/dialog in context (this happens way too often), and this very thread along with many others is evidence of that. The context that this hotfix fixed a CTD and in turn the fix has been a mixed bag, but simbol said the fix to the fix was to reduce sliders - so I responded. The dialog continued with him essentially defending CTD's as either not existing at all or LM let them go, could be nothing else, so I responded with questions as to how this could happen. It seems that the word IF is totally ignored by so many and then I get accused of accusations??? What does a person have to do to get others to READ the word IF in a sentence?? If you go back and read what I wrote fully - Don't simply read what simbol wrote in response to me, carefully cutting out a small part of my post and responding craftily to me to make it look as though I was attacking him (he did this twice!- plain as day). I was simply uncovering the truth....and the word if is there. For anybody, whether LM or customers or testers to justify reproduceable CTD's is not excusable at this level. Also, denying they exist(ed) when they do/did exist (there was a hotfix right?- this very topic) is just as bad. I was just keeping the topic honest. There are many video reviews out there that claim P3Dv5 is awesome but when one clicks "read more" one can read the reality that its not that awesome...which is it? Honesty (complete truth) is the only way to truly find out this most important question.

As I read through this thread I can't help but realize that this "new" order of things seems so (too!!) familiar. Just wait until new add-ons are brought to the table; it wont matter if you have an all new 10th gen processor, a 3080ti, and 64 GB of ram, there will always be the curse of lowering the sliders after all the raving about great performance. Now the curse includes: if you don't lower the sliders a CTD occurs; that may be "fixed" for now, but who knows what's to come.🤒 Amazing the range of reviews of this HF, no matter the level of experience, add-ons, or PC system. Some say its awesome, some say meh, some having lots of problems, some leaving P3D forever....very strange....everybody is correct AND everybody is wrong.😵 I have to conclude that the P3D alpha/beta/rtm test teams need to be MUCH more diversified at the very least. If not, I must conclude that the test teams are being greatly ignored.🤷‍♂️

I agree with your concept, and these are excellent ideas for when money no longer matters to humans...definitely not in this age. Leave it to algorithms to do the work - they require no royalties at all. Fine details can still be achieved, we have seen it for ourselves already. Getting too many "partners" for ultra fine details would make the price of a flight sim, eventually released on Xbox, to be laughed off the planet.

If anybody knows it will be Vahid from Sim Elite Solutions, for now he is checking it all out: https://simelite.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2708

NAVblue and MetoBlue -- time to investigate🤓

It probably best to tell/describe what steps you took - this would avoid a sort of "telephone tag" conversation. I usually suggest flying the first tutorial flight EXACTLY as written, if one is new to RC.

No apparent difference in speed - but the KF is lower in price, which in our case works well because on-board graphics is not something a flight simmer would need or want.

Perhaps there is an outstanding bug regarding fuel in the wing tanks not implemented yet, or maybe a bug having to do with the new aerodynamics features. I sure am glad you emphasize this, incase it is a bug that MS/Asobo needs to be aware of...good job Aleex.👍

The amount of fuel in the wings will play a factor. Also I should add if the aircraft is moving at t/o speed the wings will lift as well. We can't be sure at this point if wind is passing over the wings causing them to curve to the sky.

Now we're talking...excellent

Yea I agree, upon further review that runway does look "FS2000 perfect". I suppose if I knew which airport and then I could check the stats to make a better/honest call/critique.

Wing Wed has more and more of a yawn factor for me personally. I'm glad others are impressed, but I have "seen" enough. Its gonna take the IFR vid to excite me (sim in action and features).😴

Pretty much the same thing in FSX-SE. Many of us are hoping that the new MSFS will remedy the huge need for separate mods for basic realism. Better to suffer through XP11 as you already have it, than to have to suffer through XP11 AND FSX-SE.

Excellent points Ray! I did not try the adventure route with RC, I stuck with PF2000 until FS2002 had ATC, but I went to RC3, and eventually to 4 when it was released. Yes ATC remains untouched, but LM forums have several topics concerning ATC and the need for improvements, but at the minimum, fixes. The P3D normal client forums are MUCH busier than pro plus forums, so that should count for something concerning who is a primary customer... 62,000+ vs 1300+ posts. And the pro-plus customers are not more versed in ESP than we are. We have been living ESP much longer. How JD had to do this back in the day may be one way, but today, algorithms are developed to automate many things. MSFS feature discovery vids explain the basics of this. Well I suppose if LM made a statement saying 'ATC is not important to them' I think more (than already have) simmers would abandon P3D for MSFS pretty quick...that would be a statement.🚮

Nothing concrete that I know of, but from the looks of the ground operation menu options, it appears it will be familiar to P3D/FSX users.

Like I say earlier in this thread; If only the likes of PBR, VR, and even Direct X would have that "it is what it is" position from the community we would have FS5 graphics still. The thing is we went from no ATC to pretty good ATC with Proflight 2000 (remember that, with Ultimate Airlines?), and FS2002 started a possibility, for default ATC. Since then 3pp have tried but none have been complete. We all should have the RESOUNDING question "why"!!?, rather than accept the limitation. Yes its not easy, but what was easy about developing the ATC and AI in FS2002? PMDG did not have an easy time developing any of their aircraft, RC was not easy, right? "its not easy" is not a good enough excuse. Well we all know ATC is on the Top Wishlist for MSFS - I pray, and can only trust, there is a "eureka" moment of sorts at Asobo.

So a logical step would be for ATC to somehow be able to either understand the AFD limitations and work around them, or develop its own method of reading scenery and whether a taxi or runway designator is correct or not it will still prevent illogical/incorrect paths. As it is, in ProATC/x for example, say we are at Flightbeam KMSP Gate H3 The active runways is are 35 30L 30R. The logical take off runway is 35 or if need be 30L from H3. But (if you have a current airport chart for KMSP) many times I have been taxied to 30R via taxiways D S K Y W C Q F1, when C Q F1 would suffice. Even when 30L is assigned I would get C A (unnecessarily crossing the active runway) instead of C W. Makes no sense because ProATC/x is totally aware of taxiway W. In a perfect world, 35 would just be used, like in real life, but not with ProATC/x. Yes AI traffic plays a role, and ProATC/x does read and control AI, but this is first thing at 5 am with little traffic or during rush hour, its like it has its own presumption of possible traffic confliction...this is not just at KMSP. But there are times when it does a good job. Hit and miss, simply unacceptable after all this time. I/we really could write a whole book on this matter... I guess the most problematic issue we all still have is the "opposite" or wrong runway in use. Yes this can be blamed on a number of things, but its this kind of thing that ruins everything. Surely its a "top of the list" kind of problem/issue/blunder that needs attention immediately if not sooner. Decades later and nothing done at all.

I totally understand. I truly believe if FSX would have been made 64bit and fully DX10 (no preview), along with some more optimizing, all could have been MUCH better. But its water under the bridge; good to remember, but only remember to prevent such blunders/mistakes from happening again. A good thing would be if your goodwill toward MS can be restored. If nothing else, because of the possibility that MSFS will plainly show goodwill toward you by exceeding FSX leaps and bounds at a very fair price and wonderful (within reasonable) performance on your hardware. This is what I wait for.

No doubt quality/completeness of the scenery plays a role, but whether a default airport or Flightbeam or anything in-between its the same uncertainty, sometimes good/sometimes bad.

ProATC/x does do an ok job of ground control, but its way far from good/reliable. It does not always know logical paths and sometimes it does not know taxiway names. Its not as good/consistent as default GND ctrl but that pretty much says...ugh...something's gotta be done.😩

If I understand you correctly, this would happen if the GND and TWR shared the same frequency. However if they did not share, then this would not be correct/realistic behavior. If you are taking about a co-pilot of sorts switching for you, then this would have nothing to do with "ATC".

This gives more probable evidence that ATC is on a proverbial back burner. If this is not true, then its simple for LM to make a statement - 'we are working on ATC and there will be "road work ahead"' - anything to give some hope. Until ATC finally gets put on priority, I think this community should continue to keep this topic not just alive, but roaring with activity.

I would classify this as an aircraft avionics/radio/panel capability more than ATC, you think? ATC is separate from the aircraft themselves.

I agree. The next message may be something like COVID-19 has not hindered our efforts and we are working hard. Then the one after that 2 years from the last message, we're still working and a new version announcement will be coming. Then P3D version 13 gets released and ATC is still like FS2002 but P3D can be run on a holodeck.😧

This community is so full of such wonderful humor --- ninjas 😂🤣