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Installed Toposim. Nice, but.....

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I installed Toposim mesh for the entire U.S. and Europe.  I must say that I really enjoy what it's done for mountains, valleys, and land overall.

However, so many airports are now on what looks like man-made elevations.  Before Toposim, my airports looked more natural and somewhat more even with the land they sat on.

I heard this was normal after installing mesh, but I was wondering if there is a universal fix for this.  I'm OK with everything, but I'd like to correct this so that the airports are closer to the way they really are supposed to be.

Stan

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Stan, are you running ORBX vector..?? If so, you may need to run the Vector AEC tool at FTX central for the airports in question...

If you aren't running Vector try looking at some real life images of the airports in question, use Google maps sattelite view, etc. to see if some of those elevations are there for real...

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I'm familiar with that tool.  I've used it even before I started using Toposim.  Thanks.  I'll keep track of the airports that bother me, and run the tool for each.

 

Stan

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Don't forget to check with Justin at Toposim - he has some elevation adjustments also I believe and can help with specific issues.

Vic

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OK.  Will do that.

Stan

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Stan:

I just started using Topsim as well and am seeing the same issue with several airports on plateaus.  I communicated with Justin and he is aware of the issue, but, there is no simple solution.  Justin has asked for users to compile a list of the airports and provide that information to him via the Topsim ATAP forum.  He will over time develop correction files for the airports.  

It is unfortunate that there are so many airports with this issue.  I must admit, at this point, I am considering turning the Topsim Mesh off until Justin fixes the airports.

Danny

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I use GEXP3d and ORBX regions along with UTX with toposim mesh. I rarely see airport elevation anomalies. I know Justin's mesh is correct so I suspect some of the other products could be causing issues. 

However, getting together a list of specific problem areas could provide insight.

Vic

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50 minutes ago, DannyR said:

 

It is unfortunate that there are so many airports with this issue....

Hi Danny, could you and Stan maybe post a list of the airports where you guys have noted these elevation issues..??

Like Vic, I have noted few if any such elevation anomalies, and i'd like to check the specific airports you guys are having issues with to see what they look like with my installation..

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4 hours ago, vgbaron said:

I know Justin's mesh is correct so I suspect some of the other products could be causing issues.

I could show you a product that is not, Iceland mesh.

On the topic, it is hardly news that all FSX and P3D airports are flat, unlike their real world counterparts,

so adding accurate mesh to the surrounding terrain will cause anomalies.

There are two possible solutions, either amend the mesh to fit the airport, as done by Pilot's Airport Flatten Mesh,

or amend the airport to fit the mesh using sloping flattens.

If neither the producer of the mesh nor the developer of the airport can provide these solutions,

there will be anomalies.

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2 hours ago, nolonger said:

There are two possible solutions, either amend the mesh to fit the airport, as done by Pilot's Airport Flatten Mesh,

or amend the airport to fit the mesh using sloping flattens.

Another option would be to just temporarily disable the Toposim mesh in the scenery library for the area you are flying in (have mine installed by separate continents) when you know that the particular airport you are going to use has elevation issues, and it really bothers you.

Like Vic, I rarely see elevation issues with Toposim and ORBX installed, but there are many thousands of airports in P3D, and I haven't flow in to all of them.

FWIW, for those that have ORBX Vector and Toposim installed, I have used Vector AEC successfully to correct elevation issues around specific airports as shown in the pics below.... The Airport is KPRC, Prescott Arizona....

Note the cliff at the end of the runway, and off the left wingtip...

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And after running Vector AEC and disabling KPRC.....

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Hi! I use ORBX Global, Europe and North america. Do I get a better, more realistic word below my A/C with Asia Continent Bundle from Toposim? 

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@Oskar SpeerMesh provides more detailed terrain elevation depiction, so mountainous areas, in particular are much more pleasing on the eye.  Not perfect, but much better.

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Thank´s, Erich! I will purchase Asia Continent Bundle from Toposim today!

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8 minutes ago, Oskar Speer said:

Thank´s, Erich! I will purchase Asia Continent Bundle from Toposim today!

The best relative comparison is to fly over an area you are familiar with (preferably mountainous)  in the sim -  and then see the contrast with the mesh installed.  Landclass adds huge benefit to the terrain textures but unfortunately, Asia is not yet done by Orbx.  This will be of huge benefit when completed.

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I’m contemplating purchasing mesh, either a few toposim areas or pilots 2018.  I’m curious whether one has more plateaus than the other or if it’s fairly consistent?  Perhaps the tool pilots hs makes it a moot issue for that mesh assuming it works well.

I had fsgenesis mesh years ago and the plateaus drove me crazy.

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Dave, why don't you try the "daily Freebie" over at Toposim, it's available right now and covers the UK including Scotland and Northern Ireland...

http://www.toposim.net/distrib/product-category/daily-freebie/

Fly around some different areas, and see if you notice plateaus around some of the airports, then compare it to the default mesh.. It's worth a try and it's FREE...😎 So what have you got to lose...

 

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Here is a list of a few of the airports that have plateaus:

CZN
MMCS
HI25
HI28
HI23
HI31
HI32
HI02
HI27
HI05
PHUP
PHSF
HI13

There were several in Greenland, but, after activating the Topsim ATAP files for Greenland, the airports were good to go.  So, Justin's approach to fixing the plateau issue does work.  It is just going to be a long process identifying the airports and then Justin having time to develop the correction bgls.

Danny

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22 minutes ago, DannyR said:

Here is a list of a few of the airports that have plateaus:

CZN
MMCS
HI25
HI28
HI23
HI31
HI32
HI02
HI27
HI05
PHUP
PHSF
HI13

There are also several in Greenland, but I haven't copied their ICAOs down yet.

Danny

 

Thanks for the list Danny.

So I tried temporarily disabling toposim in the scenery library so I could compare it to the default mesh at MMCS, PHUP, and PHSF, and while it does smooth things out a bit, the difference is marginal, at least to my eyes....

These tiny airstrips in remote locations would never be an issue for me, but I can see how it might be a deal breaker for some people....

FWIW, if you have ORBX Vector installed, running the AEC will fix elevation issues at some airports, like in the example I showed above for KPRC.

The only other alternative would be to purchase whichever of Pilot's mesh products that includes AFM, as referenced above by nolonger, and which apparently will smooth things out, but I have no idea how well it works.

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Thanks, SunDevil.   Topsim mesh does improve the visuals, but, the benefits are offset by the issues with the airports.  At $5 per airport adjustment it wouldn't take very long before you paid more in airport adjustments than you paid for the mesh.   With the additional charge of ~$5 for each airport adjustment, the cost versus benefit doesn't work for me. 

I have tried using the Orbx Vector AEC process and it doesn't have an effect on the airports with issues due to the Topsim mesh.

I will check-out the Pilot's mesh product.

Regards,

Danny

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10 minutes ago, DannyR said:

Thanks, SunDevil.    

I have tried using the Orbx Vector AEC process and it doesn't have an effect on the airports with issues due to the Topsim mesh.

I will check-out the Pilot's mesh product.

Regards,

Danny

I understand your frustration Danny. I can't say how AEC works with these very small airstrips, I rarely if ever use them, but I may fly over them going from point A to point B....

There is no AEC entry for MMCS, so I can't correct that one, but I have used it successfully for a bunch of freeware add on airports, most of which are larger commercial airports. Thus far, i've not needed to use AEC for any of my payware airports, and I have several dozen at least...

Anyway, sorry to hear about your problems with toposim and perhaps you'll have better success with a different product.

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I also don't really have elevation issues with airports.  But I only fly into payware airports.  Any issues I have had have been resolved with Orbx AEC.    However, I have an issue with Flytampa Amsterdam which I am unable to resolve.  Not sure if it is mesh product related

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I am certain my issues are because I fly helicopters into, primarily, remote locations.  I don't do commercial at all or fixed wing flight very much.  So, the airports I most frequently am around are the smaller, very remote, airports.  

I looked at user information for Pilot's mesh and Freemesh.  It appears they both have similar issues with the smaller more remote airports.  Oh well, life is good even without add-on mesh.

Regards,

Danny

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On 1/21/2019 at 2:45 PM, ErichB said:

The best relative comparison is to fly over an area you are familiar with (preferably mountainous)  in the sim -  and then see the contrast with the mesh installed.  Landclass adds huge benefit to the terrain textures but unfortunately, Asia is not yet done by Orbx.  This will be of huge benefit when completed.

Yes! I fly my VRS F/A-18E in China and looking forward to an ORBX product. I like the Toposim!

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