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PMDG NGX & Maddog X

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Hi all!

I want to do these questions to expert simmers and real pilots that use these at the actual state of development:

which is the most realistic (in terms of AFDS, systems simulations in their completeness, fidelity with real aircraft, behaviour in flight, reactions with the weather etc.)?

I’m not speaking about add-on features (load manager, immersion, fuel planner, PBR models etc.).

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Ive never flown a real NG or Maddog but theyre both great airplanes. The NGX development is done, theyre are doing an NG3 so i wouldnt get the NGX. The Maddog is still being developed and gets better with every update. Im almost done getting  a ppl does that count? 

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I have both.

Maddog has failures, icing, MEL system and a depth simulation on systems.

I have never flown any of both planes in reality, so i know anything about behavior in flight, reactions in turbulence...

 

 

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I have a few hundred hours flying the Maddog (the real one) and I've been on the Beta team for Leonardo since before the release. There's the disclaimer.  Get the Maddog.  The feel of the aircraft is top notch, you'll be hard pressed to find a system that's not modelled.  The biggest downfall is you should purchase the TSS sound pack.  If you want a plane that will keep you busy and force you to read up on it it's definitely the way to go.  If you just want to babysit one, get the NGX.  If you want both get the iFly 73.  Pretty much the same as the NGX (yes this is true no matter what  anyone says) with cheaper price tag.

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I'm not a commercial pilot, but I have a friend who worked in simulator IT for an airline and who used to get me into the level-D sims at night (pre 9-11), so I've experienced the full DC-9 sim as well as the full 737 sim among others. The NGX is great, especially for when it came out, but the Leonardo... Man. That is some good work. As in, get the engine start procedure right or you *will* set it on fire good. From what I can tell, it even takes wind direction into account on engine start - your temps rise higher if you start with a tailwind. It's the only plane I have, including the PMDG fleet, where you have to be really careful on takeoff lest you overspeed the engines and end up losing one right after V1. It's unforgiving and very quick to anger if you screw up, and I love that. If I were choosing between the two today, I'd get the Angry Puppy, no question.

But then I'll also most likely be replacing the NGX when PMDG comes out with v3, too. 😉

 

 

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The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

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1 hour ago, Avidean said:

The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

This doesn’t mean it’s worth them.

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1 hour ago, Avidean said:

The NGX was released on August 4th 2011 and its $90. Nough said!

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

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23 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

I stand corrected. I thought the Maddog was a relatively recent release. I think price should get lower as a product ages.

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30 minutes ago, w6kd said:

The Maddog X was released in May 2010, if the release dates of the older FSX products are somehow relevant to this discussion.

 

I consider the Maddog X a semi-new product. From the older versions the new one seems an entire remake with the latest technologies and with new features, so I can understand the price of about €90. I can’t agree the same thing about the NGX, in fact it’s cost has remained since the release date, and it hasn’t seen any remake.

A car comparison: it’s like buying the first model at the same price of the release date and buying a new version of the same car (with new features, performance etc.) .

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Avidean said:

I stand corrected. I thought the Maddog was a relatively recent release. I think price should get lower as a product ages.

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

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1 hour ago, thibodba57 said:

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

In that case I don't stand corrected!😜

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The Leonardo maddog is amazing and I would consider it more of a native p3dv4 aircraft rather than a port which I would consider the pmdg 737.

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1 hour ago, thibodba57 said:

It is a new release.  While there was a previous version of the Maddog the code has been refined, textures by far improved and more and more features being added.  To say the current release is the same as the old is to say the current PMDG 747 is the same as the old one.

Well, that was my point exactly.  The versions of both add-ons released circa 2010 were not the same software being sold now. 

The implication was that the NGX for 64-bit P3D being sold today is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2011, which it isn't any more than the Maddog X is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2010.

Regards

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1 hour ago, w6kd said:

Well, that was my point exactly.  The versions of both add-ons released circa 2010 were not the same software being sold now. 

The implication was that the NGX for 64-bit P3D being sold today is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2011, which it isn't any more than the Maddog X is the same product sold for 32-bit boxed FSX in 2010.

Regards

Wrong, the maddog for P3D is a redesigned addon, with many new features, textures, code, systems, visuals etc.  The NGX for p3d is no different from the fsx version in terms or features, systems, visuals, etc. it is a p3d port nothing more, any changes in code were done in order for the addon to function in the p3d environment.  I have both, they are both good addons with different strengths and weaknesses.  But if I had to choose between one in 2019 it would be the maddog, it is in active development and has more modern features like advanced icing simulation, pbr, rain effects, more failures (NGX does not simulate hot starts if you introduce fuel too early), and the cockpit is the right shape and looks amazing in VR.  The are a few things wrong with the engine indications but they will be fixed in the next beta I am told.

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42 minutes ago, Pilot53 said:

Wrong, the maddog for P3D is a redesigned addon, with many new features, textures, code, systems, visuals etc.  The NGX for p3d is no different from the fsx version in terms or features, systems, visuals, etc. it is a p3d port nothing more, any changes in code were done in order for the addon to function in the p3d environment.  I have both, they are both good addons with different strengths and weaknesses.  But if I had to choose between one in 2019 it would be the maddog, it is in active development and has more modern features like advanced icing simulation, pbr, rain effects, more failures (NGX does not simulate hot starts if you introduce fuel too early), and the cockpit is the right shape and looks amazing in VR.  The are a few things wrong with the engine indications but they will be fixed in the next beta I am told.

No, the PMDG 737 wasn't massively "redesigned" like the Maddog X...OTOH, it didn't really need to be.  The last version of the Maddog definitely DID need to be--it first released without a VC at all, and the one that was later delivered was nothing short of substandard, even back in those days.  So I prefer to think of the NGX as having been designed right the first time, and not in need of a lot of changes to the UI or the modelling to work well as it made the transition, first to 32-bit P3D, then to the 64-bit platform.  To be honest, I really like the fact that my well-worn 737NGX has worked just like it always has across four different platforms now.

A lot of the new bells and whistles are, IMHO, somewhat overemphasized in these discussions.  For example, a FADEC-controlled engine like the CFM56 on a 737 NG won't give you a hot start if you select "run" too early because the computer controlling the engine's fuel control will still wait for sufficient RPM before pressurizing the fuel manifolds.  The fact that the CFM56 doesn't behave like a JT-8 is a feature, not a bug.  Someone up-thread described experiencing an engine failure on the Maddog if you overboost the engine on takeoff...IRL, you'd have to do that probably hundreds of times to induce an engine failure, and the first time you do it the engine's gonna get pulled and inspected before it flies again (probably after the chief pilot has advised you to update your resume).

Anyway, the "new" Maddog X looks to be a real improvement on the old one.  The "new" PMDG 737 in P3D is more a continuation of a long-running success story.  They're both good add-ons, and there are lots of good reasons one might prefer one over the other either way. 

Regards

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Ok ok guys, it seems the topic is loosing its initial purpose!

I remake my core answer: I want to know which of these 2 aircrafts is more “realistic” (close to the real ones) mainly about AFDS, flight behaviour, performance etc if we put them on the side of the real ones.

I want to put also the PMDG 777 into this fight so tell me also about it! 

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Well unless there is a rated pilot of all 3, who is anyone here qualified to tell you?

Also, you're asking about 3 completely different aircraft.

The PMDG 777 is by far the best twin long haul aircraft we can buy.

The PMDG NG even after all this time is a truly wonderfully aircraft and is perfect for short hopes. The only aircraft that is better within this class is IMO the very best aircraft for everything you describe you want its the FSL A320/A319.

Lastly, The MadDog is by far the best in class but it's an old quirky aircraft, does that appeal to you?

But if you're after the finest aircraft for the reasons you state wait for the update come from FSL for the A320/A319 (hopefully next week) and you will have the best of everything you ask.

But asking whats best 777/NG/MD-80 is an odd question. But the one that appeals to you the most is the one to go for as you really cannot go wrong.

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15 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

Well unless there is a rated pilot of all 3, who is anyone here qualified to tell you?

Also, you're asking about 3 completely different aircraft.

The PMDG 777 is by far the best twin long haul aircraft we can buy.

The PMDG NG even after all this time is a truly wonderfully aircraft and is perfect for short hopes. The only aircraft that is better within this class is IMO the very best aircraft for everything you describe you want its the FSL A320/A319.

Lastly, The MadDog is by far the best in class but it's an old quirky aircraft, does that appeal to you?

But if you're after the finest aircraft for the reasons you state wait for the update come from FSL for the A320/A319 (hopefully next week) and you will have the best of everything you ask.

But asking whats best 777/NG/MD-80 is an odd question. But the one that appeals to you the most is the one to go for as you really cannot go wrong.

Ok... so, and a comparison between FSL A320/A319 and PMDG 777 in these terms? (I know they are different aircraft, I doesn't matter, this is not the core point).

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43 minutes ago, cip95 said:

Ok... so, and a comparison between FSL A320/A319 and PMDG 777 in these terms? (I know they are different aircraft, I doesn't matter, this is not the core point).

Holy cow,  This is so simple.  If you want to fly an Airbus buy the FSL.  If you want a 737, 777, or 747 buy PMDG.  If you want a MD80 series buy the maddog X.  

 

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45 minutes ago, mpw8679 said:

Holy cow,  This is so simple.  If you want to fly an Airbus buy the FSL.  If you want a 737, 777, or 747 buy PMDG.  If you want a MD80 series buy the maddog X.  

 

If you want GA buy A2A planes.😁

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16 minutes ago, JLuis said:

If you want GA buy A2A planes.😁

Don't forget Vertx. 😉

 

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23 minutes ago, JLuis said:

If you want GA buy A2A planes.😁

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On 3/27/2019 at 1:58 PM, thibodba57 said:

I have a few hundred hours flying the Maddog (the real one) and I've been on the Beta team for Leonardo since before the release. There's the disclaimer.  Get the Maddog.  The feel of the aircraft is top notch, you'll be hard pressed to find a system that's not modelled.  The biggest downfall is you should purchase the TSS sound pack.  If you want a plane that will keep you busy and force you to read up on it it's definitely the way to go.  If you just want to babysit one, get the NGX.  If you want both get the iFly 73.  Pretty much the same as the NGX (yes this is true no matter what  anyone says) with cheaper price tag.

BAsiclly they are both good, but the leo maddog is UNBEATTABLE as to features/usd with its 80 eur pricetag, unlike the already old 737 that is good but costs about half more. ONe defect: engine sounds. I highly recommend the tss pack, it's only 10 bucks so nothing that will break the bank. And it just feels more lively, more... FUN. And fps are good in both too. I'd say get both, but the maddog first.

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3 hours ago, cip95 said:

Ok... so, and a comparison between FSL A320/A319 and PMDG 777 in these terms? (I know they are different aircraft, I doesn't matter, this is not the core point).

FSL is the most complex moden jet airline you could buy.

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