19 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Hi Dominik, looks like you've put together a pretty good list of specs for your new PC. 

First off, good choice on the CPU.  You mention "upgrading" to a 9920x - I can assure you this would not, in fact, be an upgrade for gaming (or simming).  The vast majority of games/sims cannot take advantage of more than 8 cores in any meaningful way.  The most you would gain from 12 vs. 8 cores in P3D is faster scenery loading.  Not only that, but I guarantee you that a stock 9900k is going to run games/sims at a higher framerate than a stock 9920x due to the difference in Turbo clock speeds offered by these CPUs.  On top of that, if you overclock you will almost certainly reach a higher clock speed with the 9900k.  Bottom line, games/sims today care more about clock speed than core count, so you should go with the CPU that offers higher clocks and in this case that's the 9900k.

Second, as others have mentioned, there is performance to be gained by using faster RAM.  There are two aspects of memory performance to consider, latency and bandwidth.  These are expressed through ratings of clockspeed and timings.  To put it simply, clockspeed should be high, and timings should be low (smaller numbers).  A good example is DDR4 in the 4000MHz range and with primary timing (CAS) of 16-18.  

Third, if you want to run at high resolution with high graphics settings and lots of 3rd party add-ons, you may want to consider an RTX 2080 Ti rather than a 2080/2080 Super.  The 2080 Ti has more VRAM onboard (11GB vs. 8GB).  It's possible to push past 8GB of VRAM usage in this scenario, and with a card that only has 8GB you may experience stutters as the graphics card has to fetch data from system RAM.

Fourth, the motherboard you have selected, while adequate for stock 9900k operation, is perhaps not going to be the best choice for overclocking.  I recently built a 9900k/Z390 system and while my last several PCs have used Asrock or Asus motherboards, I would suggest a Gigabyte or EVGA board for Z390 specifically due to the sheer inadequacy of VRM cooling on the majority of Z390 boards out there.  Gigabyte's Aorus line of Z390 motherboards has real VRM cooling, not just a solid block of aluminum like most other manufacturers, as do EVGA's Z390 FTW and Dark boards, though EVGA's boards are more oriented towards extreme overclockers and probably not the best choice for a beginner.  I went with the Z390 Aorus Master board myself and it's been great in the month or so I've had this PC.  The CPU runs at 5.0GHz on all cores with very low voltage and low temperatures.  Since I intend on not upgrading again for awhile I decided not to overclock to the limit which for this chip is around 5.2-5.3GHz with the cooling I have.  

Fifth, your cooling choice.  While the H100x is a fine CPU cooler, you have to remember that the 9900k is a very hot chip, especially when overclocked.  The more cooling the better.  I don't know what options your PC manufacturer offers, but a small increase in price can yield a significant increase in cooling capacity, which may ultimately allow you to overclock higher, and potentially affect the longevity of your system.  Also the "standard paste choice for sufficient cooling" line is slightly worrying.  I don't know what thermal paste the manufacturer intends to use, but if it is sub-par you're literally saving pennies only to severely restrict the cooling performance of your CPU cooling system.  Spending a tiny amount more money here can make a large difference in cooling system performance.  I recommend Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut for a thermal interface material to be used between a CPU IHS and water cooling coldplate.  It goes on easy and lasts a long time, while also conducting heat at a higher rate than most other thermal pastes on the market.       

Sixth and I would say finally, your power supply choice.  Somewhat against "conventional wisdom" here (more like urban legend in this case) you don't need a million gajiggawatts for a power supply in a high-end PC.  I have a 9900k and 2080 Ti in my sim PC and it is powered by a meager 750W power supply, only slightly larger than the one you picked out.  The key with power supplies is to make sure you buy a quality unit from a major brand name, with an 80 Plus rating of some sort (Silver or better).  You can overclock your hardware as high as it will go and honestly never see your power supply reach 100% capacity in even a worst case scenario.  All these online power supply calculators that lead to the rise in "conventional wisdom" are using inflated ratings to derive their calculations, and in all likelihood are nothing more than marketing tools to sell more expensive power supplies.  I've been building and upgrading PCs for over 20 years and have never needed to increase power supply capacity in any system I've ever built.  Just make sure you don't go with the bare minimum (i.e. if your graphics card requires at least a 500W power supply) and get something from a major manufacturer and you'll be fine.

Other than that, everything looks good.  We can debate about the merits of buying vs. building but that's a personal preference so I'll leave it up to you.  PC building can be as much of a hobby as anything, and if you just want to enjoy your sim without the potential headache and stress of building the machine then that's your call.  

Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply!!!

CPU: I'm going to stick to i9-9900K and have it overclocked to 4.9GHZ by the company who builds the PC (4.9 is the highest they can go, sadly).

RAM: I will speak to the company who builds it, because the highest MHz they have in their drop-down menu for me to choose from is 3600MHz that I selected, so I will get their advice on this too and perhaps they will have a 4000MHz too with low CAS.

GPU: I am still slightly undecided whether to spend that extra money on 11GB 2080, and I suppose that is because I've always had this thought in my head that flight sims rely much more on CPU than GPU, but it doesn't seem to be the case with P3Dv4 as it used to be with FSX that I used to use years ago. I guess I'm just worried about wasting money on an 11GB 2080 Ti and never actually using it to its full potential and realising that 8GB 2080 would have been sufficient. Having said all this, you are not the only person suggesting the 11GB, so I am 75% convinced now 😄 

Motherboard: As with RAM, I will speak to the company who will build the PC and get their advice on this because, again, their drop-down menu is limited to only a few motherboards. What is 'VRM cooling'?

Cooling: Again, you are not the only person mentioning this, so I have already upgraded the cooling system to the Corsair H115i PRO Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans and also the thermal paste to COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND. Are these good choices? (By the way, when I say 'already upgraded', I mean just playing with the actual configuration and noting things down; I haven't placed an order yet).

PSU: As above, a few other people mentioned this and I've already upgraded it to the CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIESTM SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET. Good choice?

As for the building of the PC myself, that is out of the question: I have no time, skills or desire to learn to do this myself haha 😄 

Thank you, once again!

 

16 minutes ago, dominikv95 said:

Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply!!!

CPU: I'm going to stick to i9-9900K and have it overclocked to 4.9GHZ by the company who builds the PC (4.9 is the highest they can go, sadly).

RAM: I will speak to the company who builds it, because the highest MHz they have in their drop-down menu for me to choose from is 3600MHz that I selected, so I will get their advice on this too and perhaps they will have a 4000MHz too with low CAS.

GPU: I am still slightly undecided whether to spend that extra money on 11GB 2080, and I suppose that is because I've always had this thought in my head that flight sims rely much more on CPU than GPU, but it doesn't seem to be the case with P3Dv4 as it used to be with FSX that I used to use years ago. I guess I'm just worried about wasting money on an 11GB 2080 Ti and never actually using it to its full potential and realising that 8GB 2080 would have been sufficient. Having said all this, you are not the only person suggesting the 11GB, so I am 75% convinced now 😄 

Motherboard: As with RAM, I will speak to the company who will build the PC and get their advice on this because, again, their drop-down menu is limited to only a few motherboards. What is 'VRM cooling'?

Cooling: Again, you are not the only person mentioning this, so I have already upgraded the cooling system to the Corsair H115i PRO Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans and also the thermal paste to COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND. Are these good choices? (By the way, when I say 'already upgraded', I mean just playing with the actual configuration and noting things down; I haven't placed an order yet).

PSU: As above, a few other people mentioned this and I've already upgraded it to the CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIESTM SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET. Good choice?

As for the building of the PC myself, that is out of the question: I have no time, skills or desire to learn to do this myself haha 😄 

Thank you, once again!

 

I made a mistake above: 3200MHz is the highest I can select with them, NOT 3600MHZ.

Hmm, they seem to like 4.9, that's all they would push mine too (Although its a i9700)

I have that cooler..

I have that gel..

I have that power supply..

😁

..and the ringer stinger here is....i thought i had 3200mhz ram...turns out after checking my order,🧐 i've ended up with 3000mhz 😐 oops 

 

Out of curiosity, what case are you looking at?

 

3 hours ago, dominikv95 said:

Thank you very much for your comprehensive reply!!!

CPU: I'm going to stick to i9-9900K and have it overclocked to 4.9GHZ by the company who builds the PC (4.9 is the highest they can go, sadly).

RAM: I will speak to the company who builds it, because the highest MHz they have in their drop-down menu for me to choose from is 3600MHz that I selected, so I will get their advice on this too and perhaps they will have a 4000MHz too with low CAS.

GPU: I am still slightly undecided whether to spend that extra money on 11GB 2080, and I suppose that is because I've always had this thought in my head that flight sims rely much more on CPU than GPU, but it doesn't seem to be the case with P3Dv4 as it used to be with FSX that I used to use years ago. I guess I'm just worried about wasting money on an 11GB 2080 Ti and never actually using it to its full potential and realising that 8GB 2080 would have been sufficient. Having said all this, you are not the only person suggesting the 11GB, so I am 75% convinced now 😄 

Motherboard: As with RAM, I will speak to the company who will build the PC and get their advice on this because, again, their drop-down menu is limited to only a few motherboards. What is 'VRM cooling'?

Cooling: Again, you are not the only person mentioning this, so I have already upgraded the cooling system to the Corsair H115i PRO Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans and also the thermal paste to COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND. Are these good choices? (By the way, when I say 'already upgraded', I mean just playing with the actual configuration and noting things down; I haven't placed an order yet).

PSU: As above, a few other people mentioned this and I've already upgraded it to the CORSAIR 750W TXm SERIESTM SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET. Good choice?

As for the building of the PC myself, that is out of the question: I have no time, skills or desire to learn to do this myself haha 😄 

Thank you, once again!

 

 

3 hours ago, dominikv95 said:

I made a mistake above: 3200MHz is the highest I can select with them, NOT 3600MHZ.

 

Dominik, does the PC builder specify the timings on the 3200MHz RAM they offer?  Do they at  least list the CAS rating?  with 3200MHz RAM you will want very low latency to offset the reduced clock speed.  CAS 14 is the gold standard for DDR4 3200.     Alternatively, you could select the cheapest RAM they offer and go out and buy your own.  RAM is so cheap now I would actually suggest this option.  Here is a U.K. PC parts retailer listing for a 32GB DDR4 4000: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-32gb-4x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-quad-channel-kit-f4-4000c18q-32gtzkw-my-109-gs.html  If this is more than you would like to spend at the moment I would suggest going with the 16GB kit of the same stuff for about half the price: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-f4-4000c18d-16gtzkw-my-108-gs.html  You can always add more RAM later if you find that you need it.  Most users here don't find more than 16GB RAM to be useful for flight sims, I have only seen 1 or 2 users claim anecdotally that they have observed greater than 16GB RAM usage during simming, but no evidence was provided in those instances.

Re: 2080 Ti - do it.  Flight sim has changed a lot over the years and it absolutely is possible to place a greater load on GPUs today with recent flight sims.  Not only will you benefit from the additional VRAM, the faster GPU will be useful in GPU-limited scenarios (which are becoming more common on modern sims).  

Re: motherboard - I specifically recommend Gigabyte Aorus Z390 motherboards.  You may see this branded Aorus rather than Gigabyte, Aorus is a division of Gigabyte like Republic of Gamers is a division of Asus.  Here is the motherboard I have: https://www.aorus.com/Z390-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10  If you look at the pictures you see a section that is highlighted in purple LED lighting (this is customizable).  If you look closely at this area there is an exposed section of the VRM cooling - you can see the fins on the heatsink.  This is a cooling device attached to the VRM on the motherboard.  The VRM (Voltage Regulator Module) is motherboard circuitry that provides power to the CPU socket.  It controls the current and the voltage.  A high quality VRM is useful on high-end CPUs, especially when overclocking.  VRMs can get quite hot, which can ultimately lead to your CPU down-clocking during heavy loads.  A proper cooling mechanism can prevent this from occurring.  

Re: cooling - the H115i Pro is an ok cooler, a bit better than the 100x but in all honesty, neither of these options are great.  Does your builder offer any cooling options that use a 360mm radiator?  The ones you mentioned are 240 or 280mm in length, which are just barely going to get the job done for an overclocked 9900k.  

3 hours ago, MaDDogz said:

Hmm, they seem to like 4.9, that's all they would push mine too (Although its a i9700)

I have that cooler..

I have that gel..

I have that power supply..

😁

..and the ringer stinger here is....i thought i had 3200mhz ram...turns out after checking my order,🧐 i've ended up with 3000mhz 😐 oops 

 

Out of curiosity, what case are you looking at?

 

All seems very similar! 😄 And the case is this one PCS SR-819 RGB FULL TOWER CASE - a lot of others don't fit as it comes up with a message saying so.

1 hour ago, TechguyMaxC said:

 

 

Dominik, does the PC builder specify the timings on the 3200MHz RAM they offer?  Do they at  least list the CAS rating?  with 3200MHz RAM you will want very low latency to offset the reduced clock speed.  CAS 14 is the gold standard for DDR4 3200.     Alternatively, you could select the cheapest RAM they offer and go out and buy your own.  RAM is so cheap now I would actually suggest this option.  Here is a U.K. PC parts retailer listing for a 32GB DDR4 4000: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-32gb-4x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-quad-channel-kit-f4-4000c18q-32gtzkw-my-109-gs.html  If this is more than you would like to spend at the moment I would suggest going with the 16GB kit of the same stuff for about half the price: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-dual-channel-kit-f4-4000c18d-16gtzkw-my-108-gs.html  You can always add more RAM later if you find that you need it.  Most users here don't find more than 16GB RAM to be useful for flight sims, I have only seen 1 or 2 users claim anecdotally that they have observed greater than 16GB RAM usage during simming, but no evidence was provided in those instances.

Re: 2080 Ti - do it.  Flight sim has changed a lot over the years and it absolutely is possible to place a greater load on GPUs today with recent flight sims.  Not only will you benefit from the additional VRAM, the faster GPU will be useful in GPU-limited scenarios (which are becoming more common on modern sims).  

Re: motherboard - I specifically recommend Gigabyte Aorus Z390 motherboards.  You may see this branded Aorus rather than Gigabyte, Aorus is a division of Gigabyte like Republic of Gamers is a division of Asus.  Here is the motherboard I have: https://www.aorus.com/Z390-AORUS-MASTER-rev-10  If you look at the pictures you see a section that is highlighted in purple LED lighting (this is customizable).  If you look closely at this area there is an exposed section of the VRM cooling - you can see the fins on the heatsink.  This is a cooling device attached to the VRM on the motherboard.  The VRM (Voltage Regulator Module) is motherboard circuitry that provides power to the CPU socket.  It controls the current and the voltage.  A high quality VRM is useful on high-end CPUs, especially when overclocking.  VRMs can get quite hot, which can ultimately lead to your CPU down-clocking during heavy loads.  A proper cooling mechanism can prevent this from occurring.  

Re: cooling - the H115i Pro is an ok cooler, a bit better than the 100x but in all honesty, neither of these options are great.  Does your builder offer any cooling options that use a 360mm radiator?  The ones you mentioned are 240 or 280mm in length, which are just barely going to get the job done for an overclocked 9900k.  

I will be contacting them with via the live chat tomorrow and will ask them about: RAM (CAS on the available 3200MHz and also if higher MHz are available); better coolers with bigger radiators like 360mm. None of this info is available on their website.

What is available on their website are the motherboards that you mentioned, however there are 3 different ones:

Gigabyte Z390 UD: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs WIFI - RGB Ready

The first two are cheaper than the ASUS one that I selected initially, and the third one is a bit more expensive. What's the difference between the three above and which one would you recommend?

Also, you stated that 'most users here don't find more than 16GB RAM to be useful for flight sims' - how do they know that, is there a way to check this, like to see the current live RAM usage and let's say for example if it only ever gets up to 80% usage whilst you're flight simming, then you know that anymore would be a waste of money? Is that something you do from within the Task Manager? I know Task Manager has these percentage values for CPU, RAM etc., but not sure if that's what you meant? Thank you.

 

9 hours ago, dominikv95 said:

Also, you stated that 'most users here don't find more than 16GB RAM to be useful for flight sims' - how do they know that, is there a way to check this,

They know it by testing.  Load up the worst possible sim scenario you can find (I would say, that would be addon airport + complex addon aircraft + lots of AI + lots of vector/object data + other addons like ActiveSky, Chaseplane, etc.) and then yes, open task manager and observe.

You are going to have a wonderful system when you're done.  Plus you are getting advice from the guys here, and this has traditionally been a good FS-oriented tech forum.  Your other option on that front would be JetLine Systems.  But anyway, I think you'll be set for a while, as I don't think anything coming over the sim-horizon is going to have massively high system requirements.  For example, the new sim Microsoft is making, looks like it will require a fast net connection, but beyond that, no better hardware than what is typical for us today.

The only caveat to that may be other new add-ons, which may end up being mem-hungry, but we can't anticipate that necessarily.  I'd leave 2 slots open on the mainboard just in case.  2x16 would set you up for the duration I think.

 

 

On 7/28/2019 at 1:11 PM, dominikv95 said:

All seems very similar! 😄 And the case is this one PCS SR-819 RGB FULL TOWER CASE - a lot of others don't fit as it comes up with a message saying so.

I will be contacting them with via the live chat tomorrow and will ask them about: RAM (CAS on the available 3200MHz and also if higher MHz are available); better coolers with bigger radiators like 360mm. None of this info is available on their website.

What is available on their website are the motherboards that you mentioned, however there are 3 different ones:

Gigabyte Z390 UD: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs - RGB Ready

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs WIFI - RGB Ready

The first two are cheaper than the ASUS one that I selected initially, and the third one is a bit more expensive. What's the difference between the three above and which one would you recommend?

Also, you stated that 'most users here don't find more than 16GB RAM to be useful for flight sims' - how do they know that, is there a way to check this, like to see the current live RAM usage and let's say for example if it only ever gets up to 80% usage whilst you're flight simming, then you know that anymore would be a waste of money? Is that something you do from within the Task Manager? I know Task Manager has these percentage values for CPU, RAM etc., but not sure if that's what you meant? Thank you.

 

Dominik,

the third motherboard you listed is the one I use, and I highly recommended it.

Re: RAM utilization: there are 3rd party utilities that can display application RAM usage, or you can simply use task manager.  As Mace described, it is through observation and experimentation that the members of this community have largely found that > 16GB RAM seems to not be useful for flight sim at the present time.  However, if you have enough add-ons and utility programs (flight planner, moving map, weather, ATC) I'm sure someone could come up with a configuration that exceeds 16GB RAM usage.  

Greetings. 

I hope Dominik would't mind if I ask a question here. I have selected several hardware from this particular topic. I have started working on new system as well and I have been reading thru the forum for the best hardware. I'd like to ask some help with RAM selection. I saw TechguyMaxC suggested this RAM: 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-32gb-4x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-quad-channel-kit-f4-4000c18q-32gtzkw-my-109-gs.html

That RAM is in UK store. Is there an alternative in the US market?  

This is 4 stick RAM. I read that it would be better to go with 2 sticks due to complexity etc like this one:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232560?Description=32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series DDR4 3200%2C CAS 14&cm_re=32GB_G.Skill_Trident_Z_RGB_Series_DDR4_3200%2C_CAS_14-_-20-232-560-_-Product

Is this one I mentioned will be OK?  

Cooler. 

I was recommenced this one:

NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler. It is a bit more expensive but I am not sure it is a better then Dominik picked.  

Power supply. Currently I have Corsair RM850 PSU. I wonder if it is ok to stick what I already have. 

Thank you 

Edited July 30, 20196 yr by skysurfer

1 hour ago, skysurfer said:

Greetings. 

I hope Dominik would't mind if I ask a question here. I have selected several hardware from this particular topic. I have started working on new system as well and I have been reading thru the forum for the best hardware. I'd like to ask some help with RAM selection. I saw TechguyMaxC suggested this RAM: 

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/g.skill-trident-z-32gb-4x8gb-ddr4-pc4-3200c18-4000mhz-quad-channel-kit-f4-4000c18q-32gtzkw-my-109-gs.html

That RAM is in UK store. Is there an alternative in the US market?  

This is 4 stick RAM. I read that it would be better to go with 2 sticks due to complexity etc like this one:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232560?Description=32GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series DDR4 3200%2C CAS 14&cm_re=32GB_G.Skill_Trident_Z_RGB_Series_DDR4_3200%2C_CAS_14-_-20-232-560-_-Product

Is this one I mentioned will be OK?  

Cooler. 

I was recommenced this one:

NZXT - Kraken X62 Rev 2 98.17 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler. It is a bit more expensive but I am not sure it is a better then Dominik picked.  

Power supply. Currently I have Corsair RM850 PSU. I wonder if it is ok to stick what I already have. 

Thank you 

The same RAM is available in the U.S. from Newegg: https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232460?Description=F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW&cm_re=F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW-_-20-232-460-_-Product  Which RAM configuration you ought to go with depends on which motherboard you have.  Gigabyte uses a "T-topology" design that runs better with more RAM modules of smaller capacity than with fewer modules of larger capacity.  Other brands like Asus may prefer the inverse.  

The Kraken X62 is on-par with the H115 Dominik mentioned, as they both use 280mm radiators.  If you can get a water cooler with a 360mm radiator you will see better performance with hot CPUs like the 9900k.

Thanks for reply. 

I think I am going to get Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs WIFI - RGB Ready as it was recommended. I read about this mobo and it looks great. I guess this RAM you are referring should be compatible then. 

I read about these two 360mm coolers: Corsair Hydro Series, H150i PRO RGB and  NZXT Kraken X72 360mm.

Based on reviews The H150i has a slightly better noise profile and lower overall noise levels.

Last thins I'd like to ask is which GPU to select. There several different 2080ti models out there. Which one is the good one?

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shop/geforce/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&category=GPU&gpu=RTX 2080 Ti

Thanks again. 

Edited July 30, 20196 yr by skysurfer

11 hours ago, skysurfer said:

Thanks for reply. 

I think I am going to get Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs WIFI - RGB Ready as it was recommended. I read about this mobo and it looks great. I guess this RAM you are referring should be compatible then. 

I read about these two 360mm coolers: Corsair Hydro Series, H150i PRO RGB and  NZXT Kraken X72 360mm.

Based on reviews The H150i has a slightly better noise profile and lower overall noise levels.

Last thins I'd like to ask is which GPU to select. There several different 2080ti models out there. Which one is the good one?

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shop/geforce/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&category=GPU&gpu=RTX 2080 Ti

Thanks again. 

That RAM is indeed on the compatible memory list for the Z390 Aorus Master:

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_z390-aorus-master_20190214.pdf

 

As for which 2080 Ti to buy, it depends on how much noise bothers you and how much you are willing to spend to combat noise.  If you intend to keep your system running as cool and quiet as possible, you'll want to look at one of the premium 2080 Ti models that feature 3 fans.  There are a lot of these on the market and ultimately you won't find a large degree of difference in performance or quality between them so go with whichever one seems best to you.  A lot of people go with EVGA for the resale value because the warranty is transferrable.  Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte also make good cards.  PNY and Zotac are good also, but less popular.  

If you really value low noise and price isn't a concern, you can always put together your own water cooling loop.  A couple years ago I helped a friend build his first PC and it was water cooled.  He did all the work himself, I just gave him directions on assembly and tips from time to time.  There are great DIY water cooling resources out there from some of the major water cooling component manufacturers/resellers like EK and Corsair with configurators to help you pick all the parts and guides to show you how its all done.  If my friend who has never even touched the inside of a PC case before can do it, you can too.  

Ok great. I guess I will stick with this list for now:

CPU: Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  

GPU: (still deciding):

Asus - GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB ROG Strix Gaming OC Video Card 
EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0 

EVGA - FTW3 GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB GDDR6 PCI Express 3.0  

CPU cooler: Corsair Hydro Series, H150i PRO RGB, 360mm

Board: Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151, USB 3.1, SATA 6GBs WIFI - RGB Ready
RAM: G.SKILL TridentZ Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 4000 (PC4 32000) Intel Z270 / Z370 Desktop Memory Model F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW

Power Supply: Corsair RM850 PSU 

Edited July 31, 20196 yr by skysurfer

On 7/28/2019 at 12:51 PM, TechguyMaxC said:

I don't know what thermal paste the manufacturer intends to use, but if it is sub-par you're literally saving pennies only to severely restrict the cooling performance of your CPU cooling system.  Spending a tiny amount more money here can make a large difference in cooling system performance.

 

Good advice re TIM, decent TIM is always worthwhile.

However... "severely restrict" and "large difference" is hyperbole Max. 🙂 

The difference between the top conventional TIM (not liquid metal) and one lower down the pack is merely a few degrees. 

If you look at something like Kryonaut, my favourite paste, you see 31 degrees delta in the test below. 

If you look at a rubbish paste like Titan Nano Blue, you see 34 degrees. A mere 3 degrees difference! 

If you go right down to the worst performing paste you see 34.8 degrees. A mere 3.8 degrees different. 🙂 

Decent TIM is a good idea, but it is never more than a few degrees. 

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/thermal-paste-comparison,review-33969-8.html

Edited July 31, 20196 yr by martin-w

Watching with interest Dominikv95. 

I've been hovering over almost the same config as you for a while, and having bought the last 3 pc's from them, will be happily doing so again.  That jump in cost from a 2060/70/80 to the 2080ti is what's probably stopping me buying, especially as I get the impression from a lot of people that say a 2070 would do really nice.  On "their" website, the jump from a 2070 Super to a 2080ti is another £500+.

So, I'm still twiddling my thumbs over it.😄

Looking at it again, I'm also still not that sure of the benefit of an overclocked 9900K over a similarly overclocked 9700K, although this thread does raise a few interesting points.

6 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

Good advice re TIM, decent TIM is always worthwhile.

However... "severely restrict" and "large difference" is hyperbole Max. 🙂 

The difference between the top conventional TIM (not liquid metal) and one lower down the pack is merely a few degrees. 

If you look at something like Kryonaut, my favourite paste, you see 31 degrees delta in the test below. 

If you look at a rubbish paste like Titan Nano Blue, you see 34 degrees. A mere 3 degrees difference! 

If you go right down to the worst performing paste you see 34.8 degrees. A mere 3.8 degrees different. 🙂 

Decent TIM is a good idea, but it is never more than a few degrees. 

 

 

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/thermal-paste-comparison,review-33969-8.html

3 Degrees isn't a lot on paper, but it's not insignificant either.  It could very well be the difference between stability and instability when overclocking, whether via core instability or the result of power delivery failure due to the higher demand placed on power circuitry thanks to higher power consumption as a result of higher operating temps.  The delta T listed in those findings is under controlled testing conditions.  What happens when you have a runaway thermal condition?  How big is the delta then?  What about in a room with higher ambient temps?

Also I would like to point out that on air (very next page): https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/thermal-paste-comparison,review-33969-9.html

the delta is 5 Degrees C between best and worst paste (not counting liquid metal). 

All that being said, this is really a semantic argument as at the end of the day, everyone should opt for high quality TIM because there's literally no justification not to, unless you're an OEM trying to save cost on low margin products.