When i bought my system, it was when there were lots of reported problems with the new cards which was kinda putting me off getting one, witch was also stalling me buying the rig as that was the only cards they were offering.

made the decision to buy the rig without a card in it...reading reports that large venders was returning over 300,000 units. I rang said company and told them the power connections I needed to be available to just plug and play. They done just that,perfectly.

i got a 1080Ti with a year and half warranty remaining.

as for the 9700k vs 9900k, I was pondering this for a while, taking into account it’s for a sim only, what I would gain vs cost increase...never could really come to a conclusion myself personally, so decided on the 9700k as it was cooler running. It performs well too, I couldn’t say I wish I got the 9900k, I’m very happy with 9700k.

ofcorse others that have been able to test both in sim environment, and not ...call of duty for example that’s coded to take advantage of the newer tech....could advise.

2 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

3 Degrees isn't a lot on paper, but it's not insignificant either.  It could very well be the difference between stability and instability when overclocking, 

 

We  agree on most things Max but I'm afraid we must disagree here. If an overclock is so close to the edge that a mere 3 degrees generates instability, then it's a very dodgy overclock indeed. All it would take in that scenario is a "hot day", or a mediocre build up or dust  and suddenly the system is plunged into instability.  Very few of us (with common sense) would be running our overcloks that close to instability. That's not a common sense approach to overclocking at all. I would bet that nobody on this forum will be overclocking their rigs to within 3 degrees of instability for everyday use. 

3 degrees is not significant, and all of us that overclock sensibly will be doing so with a thermal margin to allow for increases in ambient temp, dust buildup, and any other random temperature related variable. 

 

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the delta is 5 Degrees C between best and worst paste (not counting liquid metal).

 

Even if it was 5 degrees, that's still bonkers to run a system that close to instability for the sim, gaming or anything other than short term experimentation or testing. 

 

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All that being said, this is really a semantic argument as at the end of the day, everyone should opt for high quality TIM because there's literally no justification not to, unless you're an OEM trying to save cost on low margin products. 

 

Agreed, as I said initially. 🙂 

Edited July 31, 20196 yr by martin-w

34 minutes ago, martin-w said:

 

We  agree on most things Max but I'm afraid we must disagree here. If an overclock is so close to the edge that a mere 3 degrees generates instability, then it's a very dodgy overclock indeed. All it would take in that scenario is a "hot day", or a mediocre build up or dust  and suddenly the system is plunged into instability.  Very few of us (with common sense) would be running our overcloks that close to instability. That's not a common sense approach to overclocking at all. I would bet that nobody on this forum will be overclocking their rigs to within 3 degrees of instability for everyday use. 

3 degrees is not significant, and all of us that overclock sensibly will be doing so with a thermal margin to allow for increases in ambient temp, dust buildup, and any other random temperature related variable. 

 

 

Even if it was 5 degrees, that's still bonkers to run a system that close to instability for the sim, gaming or anything other than short term experimentation or testing. 

 

 

Agreed, as I said initially. 🙂 

3 Degrees could be the difference between the hottest core running above one's threshold for tolerance, and running below it, thus necessitating a decrease in clock speed.  

I would say that's significant.  i.e. if I have to run 4.9GHz instead of 5GHz, I can't go around telling everyone that my CPU runs at 5GHz now anymore, can I? 😁

On 7/30/2019 at 8:39 AM, TechguyMaxC said:

As for which 2080 Ti to buy, it depends on how much noise bothers you and how much you are willing to spend to combat noise.  If you intend to keep your system running as cool and quiet as possible, you'll want to look at one of the premium 2080 Ti models that feature 3 fans.  There are a lot of these on the market and ultimately you won't find a large degree of difference in performance or quality between them so go with whichever one seems best to you.  A lot of people go with EVGA for the resale value because the warranty is transferrable.  Asus, MSI, and Gigabyte also make good cards.  PNY and Zotac are good also, but less popular.   

I am shopping for GPU now. EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is a dual slot, non ULTRA is a single slot. Is this board (Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151) compatible with dual or single slot or both? I read that dual slot video cards have better cooling. 

Also can you send e a link on Newegg or Amazon for the motherboard you have. I am trying to find what you have but they all looks same. Thanks again. 

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by skysurfer

15 hours ago, TechguyMaxC said:

3 Degrees could be the difference between the hottest core running above one's threshold for tolerance, and running below it, thus necessitating a decrease in clock speed.  

I would say that's significant.  i.e. if I have to run 4.9GHz instead of 5GHz, I can't go around telling everyone that my CPU runs at 5GHz now anymore, can I? 😁

 

Max, if you suddenly find, while shooting an approach into LAX, that your PC is unstable, look down at your tower. It will be your cat, sitting by your tower, who's just farted!!! 😁

🐈 💨 💨🤢 

 

If we are talking about overclockers UK here as the builders. I've been talking to them from Feb and changed the build a few time and what I think is going to be my order build.

Firstly I was going for a 9900k but pre binned @5 the 9900k is almost double the price of a 9700k. Also, 9900k need a lot more cooling.  P3D does not need HT also. 

Also after talking to there tech guys many times, they informed me there pre-binned chips are tested on DDR4 3200MHz ram. So always recommend 3200MHZ to pair with the pre-binned chips.

So after months working with them to get a rig for P3D/DCS here is currently what we have. I run 1080-1920 res

1050W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply

Intel Core I7 9700K Pre-Binned 5.1GHZ

Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER

Samsung 970 EVO Plus Polaris 500GB for OS

P3D/DCS  Samsung 970 EVO Plus Polaris 1TB

Asetek 240mm 570LX Thick Radiator

Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero Intel Z390

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual 1
Channel Kit CAS 14

 

Pricers today.

9900k pre-binned @5.1 = £900

9700k pre-binned @5.1 = £520 

 

 

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by Nyxx

4 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

Max, if you suddenly find, while shooting an approach into LAX, that your PC is unstable, look down at your tower. It will be your cat, sitting by your tower, who's just farted!!! 😁

I know you're joking, but the hypothetical I cited would never apply to me.  I've been water-cooling every machine I've built for the past 10 years.  My 9900k barely hits 70C under stress testing (Intel Burn Test) in a hot, non-air-conditioned 4-season porch with ambient temps near 80F most of the time.  

9 hours ago, skysurfer said:

I am shopping for GPU now. EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is a dual slot, non ULTRA is a single slot. Is this board (Gigabyte Z390 AORUS Master: ATX, LG1151) compatible with dual or single slot or both? I read that dual slot video cards have better cooling. 

Also can you send e a link on Newegg or Amazon for the motherboard you have. I am trying to find what you have but they all looks same. Thanks again. 

I think you're mistaken about the single-slot vs. dual-slot cooling on 2080 Ti, these cards produce too much heat to be cooled adequately by an air-cooling mechanism that is only a single-slot thickness.  There are some water-cooled cards that are only a single slot in thickness but unless you plan on building a water-cooling loop it would be a mistake to buy one of these cards as they are not capable of functioning properly unless you do this extra work.  

Also, it looks like EVGA's 2080 Ti cards are in high demand and are either out of stock or severely overpriced at the moment.  Save the money and just get this: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RTX-2080-O11G/dp/B07HY6QWXN/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=2080+ti&qid=1564671953&s=gateway&sr=8-4

Here's my motherboard, I can't recommend it enough: https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145089?Description=z390 aorus master&cm_re=z390_aorus_master-_-13-145-089-_-Product

2 hours ago, Nyxx said:

If we are talking about overclockers UK here as the builders. I've been talking to them from Feb and changed the build a few time and what I think is going to be my order build.

Firstly I was going for a 9900k but pre binned @5 the 9900k is almost double the price of a 9700k. Also, 9900k need a lot more cooling.  P3D does not need HT also. 

Also after talking to there tech guys many times, they informed me there pre-binned chips are tested on DDR4 3200MHz ram. So always recommend 3200MHZ to pair with the pre-binned chips.

So after months working with them to get a rig for P3D/DCS here is currently what we have. I run 1080-1920 res

1050W 80 Plus Platinum Modular Power Supply

Intel Core I7 9700K Pre-Binned 5.1GHZ

Asus GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER

Samsung 970 EVO Plus Polaris 500GB for OS

P3D/DCS  Samsung 970 EVO Plus Polaris 1TB

Asetek 240mm 570LX Thick Radiator

Asus ROG Maximus XI Hero Intel Z390

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual 1
Channel Kit CAS 14

 

Pricers today.

9900k pre-binned @5.1 = £900

9700k pre-binned @5.1 = £520 

 

 

That power supply is ridiculous overkill.  I doubt you'll ever see more than 400W power consumption at the wall under load.  A quality 750W unit will be plenty, and even provide headroom for upgrades.  I run a Corsair TX 750W with my 9900k/2080Ti build and power consumption never even hits 500W at the wall.

Also, not sure I would pay that much for a 9700k, but it's your money.  Off-the-shelf OCUK has them for 380 pounds.  9th-gen K SKU binning seems to have gotten significantly better in the last few months, I don't even hear of people getting anything less than 4.9GHz anymore, and 5GHz is by far the most common OC for anyone buying today.  

Other than that, looks good!

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by TechguyMaxC

43 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

That power supply is ridiculous overkill.  I doubt you'll ever see more than 400W power consumption at the wall under load.  A quality 750W unit will be plenty, and even provide headroom for upgrades.  I run a Corsair TX 750W with my 9900k/2080Ti build and power consumption never even hits 500W at the wall.

I agree. Also the price premium between Gold and Platinum certified PSUs is just not worth it for the tiny improvement in efficiency you get (1 or 2% on average).

36 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

I think you're mistaken about the single-slot vs. dual-slot cooling on 2080 Ti, these cards produce too much heat to be cooled adequately by an air-cooling mechanism that is only a single-slot thickness.  There are some water-cooled cards that are only a single slot in thickness but unless you plan on building a water-cooling loop it would be a mistake to buy one of these cards as they are not capable of functioning properly unless you do this extra work.  

Also, it looks like EVGA's 2080 Ti cards are in high demand and are either out of stock or severely overpriced at the moment.  Save the money and just get this: https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-GeForce-Overclocked-Graphics-ROG-STRIX-RTX-2080-O11G/dp/B07HY6QWXN/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=2080+ti&qid=1564671953&s=gateway&sr=8-4

There is reason why I asked about slots was because this was mentioned in store notes. I was looking for videocards on a BestBuy website (I have a good credit card with them) and I found two EVGA cards: 

EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 and EVGA - FTW3 GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (non ULTRA). In the specs it says: Compatibility: Slot Size - ULTRA Dual slot and non ULTRA is Single slot (check motherboard comparability). And they are both have 3 fans, not water cooling. ULTRA is sold out, there is non-ULTRA only but it is a single slot card. So yes, I was confused. 

I can get EVGA ULTRA dual slot in AMAZON or Newegg but I am not sure if I really have to. I can get non ULTRA and save $100 but that cards shown a single slot. 

So I can find all three around the web but now I am guessing which one is better choice? 

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080TI Overclocked
EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
EVGA - FTW3 GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 

Thanks for help. 

17 minutes ago, skysurfer said:

There is reason why I asked about slots was because this was mentioned in store notes. I was looking for videocards on a BestBuy website (I have a good credit card with them) and I found two EVGA cards: 

EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 and EVGA - FTW3 GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 (non ULTRA). In the specs it says: Compatibility: Slot Size - ULTRA Dual slot and non ULTRA is Single slot (check motherboard comparability). And they are both have 3 fans, not water cooling. ULTRA is sold out, there is non-ULTRA only but it is a single slot card. So yes, I was confused. 

I can get EVGA ULTRA dual slot in AMAZON or Newegg but I am not sure if I really have to. I can get non ULTRA and save $100 but that cards shown a single slot. 

So I can find all three around the web but now I am guessing which one is better choice? 

ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080TI Overclocked
EVGA - FTW3 ULTRA GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080
EVGA - FTW3 GAMING NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 

Thanks for help. 

Never trust retailer specs.  Always go directly to the manufacturer's site for specs.  https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+20+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+2080+Ti

Honestly though, you can tell just by looking at a picture of each card.  They're both "dual slot" i.e. they take up 2 the width of 2 expansion slots on an ATX motherboard.  

Also, are you looking at the 2080, or the 2080 Ti?  Spending as much as you are on the whole PC, I would recommend just going with the Ti.  

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by TechguyMaxC

3 minutes ago, TechguyMaxC said:

Never trust retailer specs.  Always go directly to the manufacturer's site for specs.  https://www.evga.com/products/productlist.aspx?type=0&family=GeForce+20+Series+Family&chipset=RTX+2080+Ti

Honestly though, you can tell just by looking at a picture of each card.  They're both "dual slot" i.e. they take up 2 the width of 2 expansion slots on an ATX motherboard.  

Sorry for these annoying questions. I don't build computers every day. 

So I understand all those three are compatible with the board you suggested, right? 

Now I need to decide which one to buy 

Edited August 1, 20196 yr by skysurfer

5 minutes ago, skysurfer said:

Sorry for these annoying questions. I don't build computers every day. 

So I understand all those three are compatible with the board you suggested, right? 

Now I need to decide which one to buy 

No worries.  All of those graphics cards will work with that motherboard.  Do you want the 2080 or the 2080 Ti though?  They're not the same card, so be sure you're getting what you want.  The 2080 Ti is about 35% faster than the 2080, on average.  That is the card I use.