On 4/6/2020 at 1:22 PM, Soul Rebel said:

The Eurocopter X3 is a helicopter, this project is a gyrocopter, two completely different things.

I am a big helicopter's fan but sadly I don't think we are going to see helicopters in FS2020 in the near future. The new sim is still in Alpha and when they release it they will work in a patch first, and maybe then they will start working in something that is not a fixed wing.

We, helicopter's fans, are the big forgoten always 😒

Agree on all your points.

Is just my personal opinion that the JauntAir gyrocopter seems a superior and elegant concept - as an aircraft - to the X3 - which preserves all the unlikeable disadvantages of helicopters, and not adding much else of real note.

From what I've seen of Asobo's meticulous and enthusiastic development of this flight sim so far, I'm having every confidence that Rotorcraft are definitely on the to-do list.  And that we'll hopefully see evidence of this sooner, rather than later.

A flight-sim that doesn't do Rotorcraft doesn't fly!

Keep your chin up!

It's gonna happen!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 7, 20206 yr by Jonnoxx

On 4/5/2020 at 3:51 PM, Jonnoxx said:

This aircraft ticks so many boxes (survivability, quietness, smoothness etc) that I'm always surprised that the US military (or any other) has not grabbed this concept with both hands already.

Because, except for in very strong winds, it can't hover or land vertically.

5 hours ago, vortex681 said:

Because, except for in very strong winds, it can't hover or land vertically.

I'm not the expert here, but are you sure about that?

The rotor is not just an unpowered blade that windmills with forward motion.  It can be powered on or off at any time?

Check this video

 

And also this video (there is some overlap)

 

Edited April 11, 20206 yr by Jonnoxx

You're talking about two completely different aircraft. 

10 hours ago, 188AHC said:

You're talking about two completely different aircraft. 

Please explain what you mean.  And why that is the important distinction.

Vortex says the JauntAir cannot land or hover.  According to these two videos it seems it can do exactly that?

Are you suggesting then that JauntAir and CarterCopter are different from each other?

19 hours ago, Jonnoxx said:

I'm not the expert here, but are you sure about that?

Yes. It can’t hover. It uses stored energy for jump take-offs and once that energy is used, it can’t subsequently maintain a hover. Similarly, for the “zero roll” landings, it doesn’t come to the hover, it just uses the energy from forward movement to reduce the rate of descent and airspeed to zero as the wheels touch - a technique used for landings following an engine failure in a real helicopter. Once you’ve stopped the forward movement, you have to continue all the way down to the ground. For military use, you couldn’t hide/hover behind a tree line to carry out a weapons attack or carry out a slow descent to a hover into a small clearing in a forrest or jungle for a troop drop off or pickup. As versatile as an autogyro/gyrocopter is, it will never replace a helicopter.

Edited April 12, 20206 yr by vortex681

Thanks for that clear explanation, Vortex!

Fully agree on the importance of sustained hover in a military or rescue situation.

Found this article also very interesting

http://www.swaviator.com/html/issueMJ02/carter5602.html

So .... still significant commercial/operational advantage in the remaining 80% of otherwise "helicopter-only" use where lengthy hover is not an operational requirement??

I hope we don't get a robison as a first helicopter. I have seen that one too many times.

Would be nice to have a Cabri or, for old time sakes, a lovely B206 once again 🙂

5 hours ago, Pastaiolo said:

I hope we don't get a robison as a first helicopter. I have seen that one too many times.

Would be nice to have a Cabri or, for old time sakes, a lovely B206 once again 🙂

I understand the Jetranger is more of an advanced helicopter (it’s turbine).  If they’re looking for a simple, fun, training helo, the Bell 47 would be perfect.  Looks great, has been around forever, and is relatively easy to fly.  The Jetranger would be great to have in addition to the trainer!  The upside, is they’re both Bell.  So, they would be able to form 1 partnership with Bell and get everything they need!

Edited April 13, 20206 yr by ual763

23 hours ago, Jonnoxx said:

Fully agree on the importance of sustained hover in a military or rescue situation.

The other big problem with trying to scale up the Carter Copter for commercial use is that’s its very difficult (impossible?) to store enough energy in the rotors using tip weights for the same type of jump take-offs that they do with their concept model. That would almost certainly require a short take-off roll which would limit where it could operate - most city centre heliports would be out. The Fairey Rotodyne managed it because it powered the rotor with tip-jets which meant it could hover.

Edited April 13, 20206 yr by vortex681

2 hours ago, ual763 said:

I understand the Jetranger is more of an advanced helicopter (it’s turbine).  If they’re looking for a simple, fun, training helo, the Bell 47 would be perfect.  Looks great, has been around forever, and is relatively easy to fly.  The Jetranger would be great to have in addition to the trainer!  The upside, is they’re both Bell.  So, they would be able to form 1 partnership with Bell and get everything they need!

Well i am going by popularity around, i think the Bell 47 is a too old design to be honest. There are more chances for the Cabri G2, considering it's a french helicopter, it's modern and yet it is a training one.

But yeah, anything works really. I just can't stand robison helicopters anymore since i see them everywhere in every sim and i am not super fond of their look either 🙂

5 hours ago, vortex681 said:

The other big problem with trying to scale up the Carter Copter for commercial use is that’s its very difficult (impossible?) to store enough energy in the rotors using tip weights for the same type of jump take-offs that they do with their concept model. That would almost certainly require a short take-off roll which would limit where it could operate - most city centre heliports would be out. The Fairey Rotodyne managed it because it powered the rotor with tip-jets which meant it could hover.

I certainly empathise with your points.  Will be interesting to see how this progresses once they qualify their first model.

I had a look at the old Carter Copter website http://carteraero.com/src-technology/

They have some interesting heavy-lift military concept drawings there!  Nothing pint-sized in their ambitions!

Totally agree that any kid can do wonderful pie-in-the-sky concepts in a computer animation program.

Except Jay Carter wasn't any kid.  An exceptional engineer.

Time will tell !

 

 

Being they are partnered with Milviz, I'm hoping to see the Milviz MD530F in there shortly after, If not at launch. I would also like to see the BA 609 by Wilco (now known as a AW 609) to be added at sometime or be able to add my disc copy.

 Deja vu!

Edited April 14, 20206 yr by jpc55