That PF3 uses country dependent voice sets is a big advantage and adds a lot to realism. Flying over Spain or Germany and hearing controllers with American or UK  accents like the others use,  has always been a no go for me 

11 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Pilot2ATC and VoxATC can handle all the airport and controller names.

pete

i'm trialling P2A at the moment ...... but i don't hear airport and artcc callsigns & just phonetics in the clearance (?)

vox though is 100% pronounced, no phonetics.

otherwise they are quite similar and capatible with mce's same TTS copilots ......though P2A has no AI comms (yet) and (hence) does not match (imho) the AI & runway control of Vox

Edited September 12, 20196 yr by vadriver

Those are all very well for people who have their own rooms for Simming but for those of us who have other family members watching TV around the corner (i.e. Open plan), RC4 is an obvious choice, just buttons to press and an auto Co- pilot to do the radios.

4 hours ago, GSalden said:

That PF3 uses country dependent voice sets is a big advantage and adds a lot to realism. Flying over Spain or Germany and hearing controllers with American or UK  accents like the others use,  has always been a no go for me 

Yes. Choosing controller voices according to the region you are in is on Dave's list for P2A. But meanwhile, in a batch deal from one of the voice suppliers (on Harpo), I got a selection of other accents to try.

However, I had great difficulty understanding them uness I slowed them down so much it sounded like they were going to sleep.

I think understanding Controllers comes with experience, which is probably what I'm lacking. I think real pilots come to know what they expect to hear, and therefore understand even rich accents. So ... one day I'll re-enable the ones I've currently disabled.

Pete

P.S. Altering spoken voice speed is something easy with synthesised voices. Not so, of course, with pre-recorded ones,

1 hour ago, Pete Dowson said:

I think understanding Controllers comes with experience,

'tis easy if it is pronounced ...... ie not phonetics.

my only occasional need for phonetics was with "expat" controlllers .... so why do you all want programs that use phonetics (PATC, P2A though can't comment on RC & PF3)

frankly, i find it easy & simple to understand robitic pronunciations than "phonetic" ... & don't ask me about "paired" flight numbers. do you really know if it is you if five six nine is called or five sixty nine (many a drama without paired in the real)

Edited September 12, 20196 yr by vadriver

Imho we need :

VOX Proflight Contact 4

That will handle it all 😇

Edited September 12, 20196 yr by GSalden

44 minutes ago, vadriver said:

'tis easy if it is pronounced ...... ie not phonetics.

Well I find phonetics, when used, ok. Most of the instructions are words in English.

51 minutes ago, vadriver said:

so why do you all want programs that use phonetics

Phonetics are appropriate for SIDs, STARs, and Waypoints. It's only centre names and airports which should be spoken normally, as I think they are with Synthesised voices. It's the pre-recorded voice systems which have problems covering all of these simply because you need so many recorded. (Then, of course, "stitched" onto the wave file being played -- the disjointedness which puts me right off pre-recorded voices).

Pete

 

10 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

because you need so many recorded

all those airports, procedures and artcc's .................. mourard would be busy, then add paired flight numbers, you would need many hard disks more so if you needed "sufficient" regional voices.

but i do hope P2A can include those of the above missing + AI comms soon ..... should answer most of gerard's call.

On ‎9‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 12:46 AM, vadriver said:

all those airports, procedures and artcc's .................. mourard would be busy, then add paired flight numbers, you would need many hard disks more so if you neededa "sufficient" regional voices.

but i do hope P2A can include those of the above missing + AI comms soon ..... should answer most of gerard's call.

in my opinion, the best Approach in this matter would be to have a much deeper look into TTS-voice an the allready existing Technology in W10. There are many many Voices that could be used with regional Accent. i.ex. if you use a spanish cereproc tts-voice reading english, you´ll get it with a spanish Accent. The ATC app could just add some synthezysing for random Radio and athmospheric interference live when the speech is  created. That would give a wide range of possibilities and not a mandatory Need to reinvent the Wheel.

A lot of people in this discussion are talking only about the voices in ATC programs as if that was the hardest thing to overcome.

What about the calculations when you’re advised of another aircraft that could come into conflict. All you have is lat/lon, heading, altitude and speed for your aircraft and also for a table of several other aircraft. For each one you have to calculate the probability of a conflict using trigonometry.

That is extremely complex and probably explains why there are so few decent packages around. I know of one that doesn’t bother with Ai, just your aircraft. Whether that would be suitable for you only you can decide. Stringing wavs together to enunciate an instruction is reasonably easy in comparison I would imagine.