5 minutes ago, Flybynumbers said:

Yes. It's fun to fly around...but it's not realistic. That's why pilots train in simulators...that's why people build cockpits. Remember when trackIR came out?

 

Actually, there are a growing number of pilots training in VR, which the air force for one is using more and more. I would also suspect very strongly that the number of people flying in home cockpits is absolutely dwarfed by those flying in VR.

12 minutes ago, Flybynumbers said:

Yes. It's fun to fly around...but it's not realistic. That's why pilots train in simulators...that's why people build cockpits. Remember when trackIR came out?

 

Well shucks....I guess someone ought to let the U.S. Airforce know 

 

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2018/09/30/the-air-force-is-revolutionizing-the-way-airmen-learn-to-be-aviators/

 

The poll was presented with what feature you would like added the most.  Everyone has their own preference and the right to make their one vote.  There is little point in trying to tell someone else that their highest priority is "wrong".  We all have our preferences and the opportunity to support that preference with a vote

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by BrettT

9 minutes ago, Flybynumbers said:

so no, not real. VR is immersive...but not realistic

Sitting in front of two or three monitors (with TrackIR set up) where, when you move your head to the side you have to keep your eyes on the monitors in front isn't remotely realistic either. 

Nor is having fixed monitors where the view doesn't change if you move your angle of view.

Your controls might be realistic for the single aircraft that you've built a cockpit for. Any time you're fly anything other than that aircraft, they're not realistic either.

Just now, HiFlyer said:

Actually, there are a growing number of pilots training in VR, which the air force for one is using more and more. I would also suspect very strongly that the number of people flying in home cockpits is absolutely dwarfed by those flying in VR.

VR is for gamers not simmer's and from what I've seen and heard MSFT is building fs 2020 with simmer's in mind first...not gamers.

Just now, nickhod said:

Sitting in front of two or three monitors (with TrackIR set up) where, when you move your head to the side you have to keep your eyes on the monitors in front isn't remotely realistic either. 

Nor is having fixed monitors where the view doesn't change if you move your angle of view.

Your controls might be realistic for the single aircraft that you've built a cockpit for. Any time you're fly anything other than that aircraft, they're not realistic either.

Yes...and VR is like TrackIR. You can't physically touch the buttons...it's visually immersive but not realistic. If one builds a cockpit with FS 2020 it will be as real as it gets...add motion and wow.

1 minute ago, Flybynumbers said:

VR is for gamers not simmer's

Well, now that you have presented such incontrovertible and completely objective empirical evidence, how could I possibly disagree? 

5 minutes ago, nickhod said:

Sitting in front of two or three monitors (with TrackIR set up) where, when you move your head to the side you have to keep your eyes on the monitors in front isn't remotely realistic either. 

Nor is having fixed monitors where the view doesn't change if you move your angle of view.

Your controls might be realistic for the single aircraft that you've built a cockpit for. Any time you're fly anything other than that aircraft, they're not realistic either.

Yes..because that is realism. ??? If you buy a plane you fly THAT plane...if you buy a car you drive THAT car.

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by Flybynumbers

1 minute ago, Flybynumbers said:

Yes...and VR is like TrackIR. You can't physically touch the buttons...it's visually immersive but not realistic. If one builds a cockpit with FS 2020 it will be as real as it gets...add motion and wow.

I'm not sure what you're arguing. That everyone should sell their VR headset, find a spare room in their house, $15,000, and build a full motion simulator?

Or that MS shouldn't prioritise VR because people can always just spend several thousand dollars on sim hardware?

12 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

How many cockpits can one person have? Is it "realistic" to fly a 747 with a joystick or a plastic Yoke from Saitek? A 787 with a Cessna-style throttles? A TBM-900 with a 737 cockpit, or vice-versa? With VR I have access to all those cockpits virtually and, yes, there is tactical feedback for the switches. All of that for a fraction of the cost of a single G1000 panel.

 

 

I would never fly a 747 with my Cessna sim...that is something a gamer would do. 🙂

3 minutes ago, Flybynumbers said:

Yes..because that is realism. ??? If you buy a plane you fly THAT plane...if you buy a car you drive THAT car.

OK, great, whatever. I don't want that, I want VR irrespective of your opinions on it.

Just now, nickhod said:

I'm not sure what you're arguing. That everyone should sell their VR headset, find a spare room in their house, $15,000, and build a full motion simulator?

Or that MS shouldn't prioritise VR because people can always just spend several thousand dollars on sim hardware?

Yes.

I'm sure MSFT will add VR to the Xbox version for newbies/gamers who just want to point and fly around to find their house.

1 minute ago, Flybynumbers said:

I would never fly a 747 with my Cessna sim...that is something a gamer would do. 🙂

That is a rather pedantic statement.

Newsflash: You ARE a gamer. No matter how sophisticated your setup is, you are still using some interactive-electronic media for enjoyment, excitement and, how dare I say it, fun.

1 minute ago, Flybynumbers said:

I'm sure MSFT will add VR to the Xbox version for newbies/gamers who just want to point and fly around to find their house.

Ok, now I am pretty sure you are a troll. I`ll probably just ignore you from now on. Enjoy the rest of your life.

9 minutes ago, GCBraun said:

That is a rather pedantic statement.

Newsflash: You ARE a gamer. No matter how sophisticated your setup is, you are still using some interactive-electronic media for enjoyment, excitement and, how dare I say it, fun.

Simmer's take simming very seriously and do not refer to the hobby as gaming. Simmer's can sit for an hour or more waiting for the next leg of a flight. Actually the enjoyment in simming is those times...when you're not actually flying but monitoring your instruments. A gamer gets enjoyment from doing barrel rolls.

Edited October 4, 20196 yr by Flybynumbers