For us simmers? No. We are not their major target, at most. We are not worth the mammoth investment.

They are using this to push the new Xbox sales and to lure the game pass subscribers. It's huge.

The new MSFS will become the most attractive bait for general players who will curiously (and proudly) make the bite (but not really playing it).

To create this big bait Microsoft has to make it as shining, "serious", and "professional" as possible. Thus benefit the simmers.

See, everybody is happy.

How dare you speak the truth! Heretic. 

Get ready to get body slammed by 100 pseudo accounts claiming you cannot know this, shouldn't be guessing, and to get back in your uneducated meaningless box.

1 hour ago, dongdongliushui said:

For us simmers? No. We are not their major target, at most. We are not worth the mammoth investment.

They are using this to push the new Xbox sales and to lure the game pass subscribers. It's huge.

The new MSFS will become the most attractive bait for general players who will curiously (and proudly) make the bite (but not really playing it).

To create this big bait Microsoft has to make it as shining, "serious", and "professional" as possible. Thus benefit the simmers.

See, everybody is happy.

I disagree if the new XBOX success was dependent on MSFS it would Fail, it will be titles like Halo C.O.D and other top games that will make it a success the new Halo alone will probably outsell all the sims in use at the moment.

5 minutes ago, rjfry said:

I disagree if the new XBOX success was dependent on MSFS it would Fail, it will be titles like Halo C.O.D and other top games that will make it a success the new Halo alone will probably outsell all the sims in use at the moment.

Halo cod and other "top games" don't require subscription services.

New microsoft is all about selling subscriptions.

5 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Halo cod and other "top games" don't require subscription services.

New microsoft is all about selling subscriptions.

They already have 15 million subscribers according to resent XBOX video and according to MS you will not need a subscription to use MSFS or buy it. EG the offline mode.

1 hour ago, rjfry said:

They already have 15 million subscribers according to resent XBOX video and according to MS you will not need a subscription to use MSFS or buy it.

That will depend entirely on whether you "need" access to the 2PB of scenery data, or if you are content with the low res stuff that fits on a blueray disk.

Of course you will not "need" a gamepass subscription. when you buy it, most likely bundled with a "6 months free" gamepass subscription.

Standard bait and switch entirely obvious from day 1.

Microsoft wants your netflix money. They'll likely get it too.

44 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Halo cod and other "top games" don't require subscription services.

They do if you want to play online multiplayer on the Xbox, and have for many, many years now.

35 minutes ago, mSparks said:

That will depend entirely on whether you "need" access to the 2PB of scenery data, or if you are content with the low res stuff that fits on a blueray disk.

Of course you will not "need" a gamepass subscription. when you buy it, most likely bundled with a "6 months free" gamepass subscription.

Standard bait and switch entirely obvious from day 1.

Microsoft wants your netflix money. They'll likely get it too.

I look forward to seeing the video of you eating crow when MSFS comes out and every one of your "facts" are proven wrong.

Whoever thought that MS is releasing the flightsim out of pure love and altruism is a, for the lack of better word, a moron. They will make their money worth, that or the other way. I have a game pass for xbox and i really don't care about FS (might) being subscription based. 

Either way, have a great tuesday peeps, take it easy and enjoy whatever sim u r using until msfs comes out. 

2 hours ago, mSparks said:

That will depend entirely on whether you "need" access to the 2PB of scenery data, or if you are content with the low res stuff that fits on a blueray disk.

Of course you will not "need" a gamepass subscription. when you buy it, most likely bundled with a "6 months free" gamepass subscription.

Standard bait and switch entirely obvious from day 1.

Microsoft wants your netflix money. They'll likely get it too.

Every thread bar 1 you've posted in on Avsim has been locked.

I predict this one will get the same fate

We can ignore someone but cannot ignore the quote from someone😀

if all ignore it, thread not closed 

I think many people have had the same view as this, and I don’t think it’s completely wise of the mark. I’m not sure why they’d pick a niche genre almost entirely inhibited by middle aged men though to help sell a product or subscription though? I definitely think the platform itself is where the money is, and what other sort of games may sprout from the simulated world. 

Nothing new here, we knew it from E3 already.

On top of what you said, it's also a decent platform to show some of the services Bing Maps and Azure can do. So it's publicity all around.

13 minutes ago, Superdelphinus said:

I think many people have had the same view as this, and I don’t think it’s completely wise of the mark. I’m not sure why they’d pick a niche genre almost entirely inhibited by middle aged men though to help sell a product or subscription though? I definitely think the platform itself is where the money is, and what other sort of games may sprout from the simulated world. 

Microsoft have been making flight simulators since before windows.

Age of Empires 3 was released before FSX was released.  Number 4 is also getting released next year, with the gap between versions just as big as Flight Simulator

I don't get all these wacky theories why they are making a flight simulator again.  They have Phil Spencer at the helm again and are focusing again on the lucrative gaming market.  Think about it, they payed 2.5 billion dollars for Minecraft.

This is a good thing

Im sure there is plenty of incentives for MS to highlight the new sim, and while the vast majority will be for financial gain and expanding the xbox market, it seems very clear to me that full on resources are being spent on the new flight sim, and the team at Asobo are very passionate and motivated. Heck many of them are real world pilots now using that experience in coding every look and feel.  So in the end, what does it matter? We are getting a next gen sim, with visuals and fidelity we've never experienced before. What MS does after is not our concern. It will just grow as FSX did now that we know 3rd party support is there.  I really cant see them abandoning this title when you put such a huge amount of resources into it.  They have the sharp attention of all us hobby serious simmers, but have also piqued the curiosity of many general gamers out there. And I would think this world they are creating can be licensed further to other gaming genres to use.  

Cheers