So this is something that probably won't make it in for the release version but maybe as part of a future radio wish?

I follow Matt Guthmiller and came across this interesting scene below. Wouldn't it be cool if Flight Simulator Radio / ATC had inconsistencies programmed in that could have random radio static, frequency issues, and the like?

Yet another way to add to the immersion and dangers/challenges of flight.

 

I have a lot of hope for ATC.  One would be realistic static, noise, and frequency range.  With an option for clear radio, and even subtitles for the hard of hearing.

I also hope they have speech recognition, as well as a choice to use the old text options.  And when ATC speaks, that they have a few different regional accents, and there are variations in what they say.  I also hope ATC rebuffs you for things like using the wrong verbiage, or landing on 24L when you were cleared for 24R, and so on.  And it would be nice to be able to ask for flight following, or even if you don't, have ATC check on you if you miss a turn, etc

I know it may sound like a lot, but I can dream.  

That's actually a pretty good idea. It'd be great if your AI pilots and ATC controllers occasionally read something back wrong and then corrected themselves and stuff like that.

We actually get quite a few pilots (notably Air France) going off recognised procedure and causing us to ask for clarification during pushbacks - they like to release the brakes before you've told them they can, occasionally before they've even called for pushback clearance. They often stick their anti-collision beacons on well before they are ready to go, causing traffic which was going to pass behind them pull up, causing quite big traffic jams on the airport roads. If the new FS 2020 sim has Air France A320s sticking their beacons on for no readily apparent reason, it really will be as real as it gets lol.

I agree...the phrase “with you” has long been a staple of MSFS ATC.  So please let’s include the phrases “any traffic in the pattern, please advise” and “got’em on the fish finder” must be included for maximum realism....oh and random animal noises broadcast on 121.5 followed by a barrage of people screaming “Guarrrrd!” That would be awesome. (seriously, this is a thing, I am ashamed to say)

I'll be happy if the thing can accept deviations from the flight plan. The current ATCs are obnoxious in that regard. Want to go around that thunderhead to avoid turbulence? Too bad, you can't request that from ATC.

I'd also like randomized efficiency clearances. P2atc attempts to emulate this by clearing you direct to a waypoint when you're getting close to the STAR, but it always clears you direct to whatever waypoint is next in the flight plan anyway. Uh, thanks, I was already going direct to there because that's how flight plans work...

 

I believe ATC deviations that often happen in the real world, thus making 2020 more interesting, just ain't gonna happen - just making ATC more realistic and accurate (esp. in an  IFR route) is challenge enough for the programming Team at this point...

Compared to the other stuff they're working on, it shouldn't be too difficult. You don't have to actually simulate ATC deciding whether or not to clear you direct to somewhere. Just run a RNG, and if the value is such-and-such then you're cleared direct to (rng again) waypoints beyond your current one.

 

 

3 hours ago, eslader said:

You don't have to actually simulate ATC deciding whether or not to clear you direct to somewhere. Just run a RNG, and if the value is such-and-such then you're cleared direct to (rng again) waypoints beyond your current one.

It would be nice if it could do it based on live traffic.

I may be the only one that doesn't want live traffic in the sim. Why? Because I fly heavies out of busy airports. When KORD is in a push, they're stacked at minimum separation for a long time. There's no way the sim could work me in for departure or arrival if live traffic were up, because there wouldn't be anywhere to put me. I'd end up waiting in the ramp or circling in the holding pattern for an hour or more.

Do it as an option, but don't make it an un-killable feature.

 

On 3/8/2020 at 9:05 PM, snglecoil said:

followed by a barrage of people screaming “Guarrrrd!”

„You tooooo!“

“Franco?“

😂😂🙈
 

(if we get to that point in the sim I’ll *so* lmao and it’ll be as real as it gets, as never ever before)

Edited March 9, 20206 yr by badderjet

I think for a realistic ATC experience in MSFS, there should be in my opinion a complex and dedicated development on an ATC simulator (not only a feature). And I believe to have something as complex, subtle and realistic as the one we dream about, I think MS would have to find and license an already developed complex ATC simulator (if it exists) and implement it in MSFS.

Otherwise and unless Asobo surprise us again, the ATC will be in the league of FSX... 

In fact I read this morning that a company used Unigine for an ATC system/simulator : https://unigine.com/en/news/2020/azimut-alliance-unigine

The founder of the other simulator mentioned that they are, will or were working on a true to life ATC experience as far as I remember hearing a while ago in one interview...

 

 

If there's a fully realistic ATC sim out there, I'm unaware of it. I don't think it's practical to want *complete* ATC realism. Just something better than the godawful one in FSX/P3d would be good. ATC addons like P2ATC/etc make strides in that direction but often have highly annoying flaws that end up frustrating me to the point that I just turn them off.

 

As for the "other simulator's" true to life ATC experience... I'll believe that when I see it, because their product is much newer and more advanced than FSX, and the ATC they have now feels like it's about 20 years behind FSX's. If they can pull it off, great, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

1 hour ago, eslader said:

If there's a fully realistic ATC sim out there, I'm unaware of it. I don't think it's practical to want *complete* ATC realism. Just something better than the godawful one in FSX/P3d would be good. ATC addons like P2ATC/etc make strides in that direction but often have highly annoying flaws that end up frustrating me to the point that I just turn them off.

 

As for the "other simulator's" true to life ATC experience... I'll believe that when I see it, because their product is much newer and more advanced than FSX, and the ATC they have now feels like it's about 20 years behind FSX's. If they can pull it off, great, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

I am not refering to ATC solutions available for the public but perhaps some non commercial solutions and algorythms developed by a small unknown startup or a group of engineer and then big companies usually buy these solutions to integrate in their product and avoid the whole research and developement process... So even if you and me are not aware of it, it could exist outside the world of commercial mainstream products...

But sincerely otherwise I don't think an ATC feature can go beyond the one FSX had. It could be improved with more conditions and procedures, a variety of voices proper to the region, voice commands integratione etc. But at the end of the day we will still see weird things with specific flight conditions, weather etc.

The actual ATC feature in the other simulator is very outdated for sure.

Yeah, I can accept some weird. I don't need 100% realism in *everything*. But it'd be nice if ATC wouldn't fly you into a mountain like it used to do in... 2004 or FSX, I can't remember. Might be nice if ATC could handle SID/STAR out of the box. Be even nicer if ATC had an option for diversions (15 left for wx, etc), and had the above mentioned RNG-based shortcut clearances, etc.

The text interface could be improved over fsx/p3d too. Instead of "request higher, x-number-of-feet" just give me an input box so I can type in the *altitude* I want. Relatively simple quality-of-life stuff like that.

Oh, and it'd be really cool if default ATC wouldn't talk as though it overdosed on valium. 😉 Speed that voice up!

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, eslader said:

Yeah, I can accept some weird. I don't need 100% realism in *everything*. But it'd be nice if ATC wouldn't fly you into a mountain like it used to do in... 2004 or FSX, I can't remember. Might be nice if ATC could handle SID/STAR out of the box. Be even nicer if ATC had an option for diversions (15 left for wx, etc), and had the above mentioned RNG-based shortcut clearances, etc.

The text interface could be improved over fsx/p3d too. Instead of "request higher, x-number-of-feet" just give me an input box so I can type in the *altitude* I want. Relatively simple quality-of-life stuff like that.

Oh, and it'd be really cool if default ATC wouldn't talk as though it overdosed on valium. 😉 Speed that voice up!

 

 

 

 

In the airports video I saw a nice ATC interface if I am not mistaken.

In terms of ATC interaction/commands, I think that ideally, voice recognition is better than any typing or selecting with the mouse. Perhaps MS could use the Cortana engine capability...

Edited March 10, 20206 yr by Claviateur