Do we Cancel Everything? You still Travelling??

[Bob Scott 7,745]

2 hours ago, charliearon said:

If you notice your posts are missing....take the hint and keep politics, political news sites, etc out of your posts!

...and climate change

[HighBypass 2,339]

Fair point, mods & admin. I suppose I was questioning the (in)ability of an organisation which, ordinarily would be OK, but that particular organisation has a political leash around it.

[HiFlyer 9,372]

Sad situation. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-navajo-nation-crisis/2020/05/11/b2a35c4e-91fe-11ea-a0bc-4e9ad4866d21_story.html?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

[HighBypass 2,339]

Sad indeed, yet such a positive attitude comes across from many in that story. 😎

Mind you, I especially like the telling come-back remark at the end regarding the negative rhetoric against the Navajo.

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“It’s sad to see, sad to hear about it,” said Stewart, 48, as he loaded supplies into waiting cars in Crystal. “We didn’t ask you to come over. And you brought us smallpox. We’ve had to endure.”

 

On a lighter note, I received the random selection letter for participating in the COVID-19 testing research study. A test kit will be turning up soon...

[birdguy 3,956]

Yes, I've mentioned before that the Navajo Nation has been hit hard.  It's a poverty stricken area where outside Gallup people still have outhouses and must carry drums to water points to get potable water.

The Navajo Nation straddles the four corners area of Colorado, New Mexico, Utah and Arizona.  Only one county is in New Mexico but Gallup is the largest center of the Navajo Nation.

We've visited the area several times.  Mostly the Monument Valley area in Utah.  

We have a Mescalero Apache reservation in our area.  They do quite well.  They have a nice town with schools, a ski area with a zipline, and a casino.  Many of them have jobs in Ruidoso and Roswell as well as on the reservation. 

Unfortunately the Navajos haven't ben so lucky.  And when they set up stands along the road in Grand Canyon National Park to sell their handiwork and jewelry to tourists they are told to leave by the park rangers.

Noel

[SteveFx 258]

1 hour ago, HighBypass said:

On a lighter note, I received the random selection letter for participating in the COVID-19 testing research study. A test kit will be turning up soon...

Assuming it’s the imperial antibody test, we received ours yesterday.  We both tested negative, although my wife’s test failed to produce a result the first time around, so we just retried it. 

Edited May 17, 2020 by SteveFx

[Luke 782]

4 hours ago, birdguy said:

New Mexico is also R.88.  But that is driven by the Navajo Nation in the northeast corner of the state. By contrast the southeast corner of the state has relatively few cases.  My county has had 30 cases out of a population of over 60,000.

As I understand it, the R0 number is orthogonal to the number of cases - it merely describes how the infection is spreading. One can have a high R0 and a low number of cases, and vice versa.

Cheers

[HiFlyer 9,372]

Just bumped into this. It resonated strongly with me both because of the plight of "essential workers" stuck in the city, but also because a lot of the people fleeing the city ended up in my area, causing resentment and futile calls for New Yorkers to respect 14 day self quarantining or even to be denied access completely. Newspaper ads in my area started explicitly inviting New Yorkers to come and hide here for the duration, and once here, they were often conspicuously careless regarding unnecessary travel and even wearing masks.

Eventually signs started showing up on highways and streets telling them to go away.

The Richest Neighborhoods Emptied Out Most as Coronavirus Hit New York City

 

 

Edited May 17, 2020 by HiFlyer

[Alan_A 1,650]

Well, this is concerning: a total of 13 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt who had tested positive for coronavirus, then seemed to have cleared the virus and tested negative twice, have now tested positive again.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/16/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-coronavirus-261873

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

Some are symptomatic.

Lots of unknowns here - tests might have been inaccurate, or the nature of the infections (upper respiratory, not lower respiratory) might have made them more susceptible to reinfection.  But it bears watching, because if exposure doesn't confer immunity, some plans may have to change.

For the moment, add it to the list of things we don't fully understand about the virus yet.

 

[HiFlyer 9,372]

18 minutes ago, Alan_A said:

Well, this is concerning: a total of 13 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt who had tested positive for coronavirus, then seemed to have cleared the virus and tested negative twice, have now tested positive again.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/16/uss-theodore-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-coronavirus-261873

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/16/857379338/5-uss-roosevelt-sailors-test-positive-for-covid-19-again

Some are symptomatic.

Lots of unknowns here - tests might have been inaccurate, or the nature of the infections (upper respiratory, not lower respiratory) might have made them more susceptible to reinfection.  But it bears watching, because if exposure doesn't confer immunity, some plans may have to change.

For the moment, add it to the list of things we don't fully understand about the virus yet.

 

I saw that too, but since the experts don't seem exactly eager to come to any conclusions yet, I mentally labelled it under "Things to watch".

[Alan_A 1,650]

1 minute ago, HiFlyer said:

I saw that too, but since the experts don't seem exactly eager to come to any conclusions yet, I mentally labelled it under "Things to watch".

Agreed.  It's not a study, just an incident, and there are too many unknowns.

A doctor friend - the one I quoted yesterday about the German public health/economic impact study - reacted to the report by saying, "oh, [expletive]!" So that did get my attention.

But in the spirit of science, it's best not to overreact or underreact.

More data is needed.

[HighBypass 2,339]

HiFlyer - I like the photo of the sign in your post, but the article is behind a "paywall" as in it wants my email or facebook etc. sorry.

Am I to assume that people were originally inviting New Yorkers to the area, but then that idea turned sour as the influx robbed the locality of being able to support itself? Sounds as if that is what has been happening elsewhere in the world for other reasons (not COVID), where, how can I put this to comply with forum rules and policy? people from other locations arrive at a place for the free stuff they get given at the expense of ones who live in that place originally?

[HiFlyer 9,372]

24 minutes ago, HighBypass said:

HiFlyer - I like the photo of the sign in your post, but the article is behind a "paywall" as in it wants my email or facebook etc. sorry.

Am I to assume that people were originally inviting New Yorkers to the area, but then that idea turned sour as the influx robbed the locality of being able to support itself? Sounds as if that is what has been happening elsewhere in the world for other reasons (not COVID), where, how can I put this to comply with forum rules and policy? people from other locations arrive at a place for the free stuff they get given at the expense of ones who live in that place originally?

Its not asking for payment, just information.

For the rest of it, what happened is that various communities started noticing large influxes of vehicles with NY license plates as the pandemic developed, and large groups of "out of towners" started making themselves noticeable by buying up large amounts of supplies, wandering around without masks, and generally throwing their garbage all over the place, particularly egregious as this area is at the convergence of several national forests.

Residents started documenting these behaviors, even going so far as to follow and photograph these peoples antics, which caused a huge debate that eventually blew up into a popular new facebook page demanding the highways be closed, and that these people be sent back home unless they complied with the local quarantine laws, which they seemed generally disinclined to do.

In fact, they seemed to believe it was a vacation, with no applicable rules, and wanted to stroll around without masks, and go anywhere and do anything they liked. (or at least that was the growing perception)

Eventually, signs such as I posted began appearing.........

There is still a lot of resentment, especially as many believe they brought Covid with them to several communities that had previously been "clean".

Here, the natives are almost to a person complying with mask and distancing laws, and suspected New Yorkers are conspicuous by running into stores with their T-shirts hastily pulled up over their noses.......

Edited May 17, 2020 by HiFlyer

[Alan_A 1,650]

There's a lot of resentment back in New York as well, on the part of the people that couldn't afford to leave.

I'm from New York City originally - born there, and lived there for 46 years - and I have a lot of friends there.  Let's just say I've been getting an earful from those left behind.

Could say more but I'd probably bump up against forum rules so... that's my part of the story, in brief.

[MartinRex007 390]

1 hour ago, Alan_A said:

Well, this is concerning: a total of 13 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt who had tested positive for coronavirus, then seemed to have cleared the virus and tested negative twice, have now tested positive again.

Will be interesting to find out what might be going on here! There are a number of viruses like Chicken pox, Herpes viruses, HIV, HPV that can remain dormant in humans after infection, and then later reemerge causing a positive test. Something to watch for sure!

Martin

Edited May 17, 2020 by MartinRex007