Why is it that most of the "reviews" of P3D v5 completely omit the tiny fact that the default sim looks nothing whatever like the "review" and instead requires a dozen expensive add-ons to look like what's seen in the video? This is blatant, bait-and-switch, false advertising -- which will leave the first-time purchaser of P3D feeling ripped off. At least mention in the video itself that the default sim looks very different indeed from what you're showing. That's only being honest. The video concludes by suggesting that MFS won't look like the screen captures posted by Asobo -- which is a ridiculous claim since most of the screen captures Asobo publishes each week are captured by Alpha testers, many of whom are on this board. But, still, it's MFS that's supposedly being oversold or misrepresented while this video presents the unenhanced "truth" about P3D.

24 minutes ago, David Mills said:

Why is it that most of the "reviews" of P3D v5 completely omit the tiny fact that the default sim looks nothing whatever like the "review" and instead requires a dozen expensive add-ons to look like what's seen in the video? This is blatant, bait-and-switch, false advertising -- which will leave the first-time purchaser of P3D feeling ripped off. At least mention in the video itself that the default sim looks very different indeed from what you're showing. That's only being honest. The video concludes by suggesting that MFS won't look like the screen captures posted by Asobo -- which is a ridiculous claim since most of the screen captures Asobo publishes each week are captured by Alpha testers, many of whom are on this board. But, still, it's MFS that's supposedly being oversold or misrepresented while this video presents the unenhanced "truth" about P3D.

Under read more the only thing is the scenery which was just orbx besides the A2A planes. Clouds, the water and the performance, which are the things that have been changed really in V5 are exactly as was shown. 

It is ok for some of us to be skeptical of the promised flight sim messiah that FS2020 brings. I will purchase it like I have purchased the other major platforms. If it brings everything to the table that Asobo has advertised I will be ecstatic with it and will promptly jump ship and delete P3D, Xplane, FSX, DCS etc etc etc. BUT I also don't want to be sold a ketchup popsicle and show up day one and have a repeat of the Phantom Menance or the Force Awakens.

1 hour ago, David Mills said:

Why is it that most of the "reviews" of P3D v5 completely omit the tiny fact that the default sim looks nothing whatever like the "review" and instead requires a dozen expensive add-ons to look like what's seen in the video? This is blatant, bait-and-switch, false advertising -- which will leave the first-time purchaser of P3D feeling ripped off.

Not true at all. Most people who are in a respectably informed enough position to make an intelligent or worthwhile review of anything, are in that position by virtue of having a good deal of experience of the subject at hand. And where a review of the present version of P3D is concerned, it's a fair bet that anyone seeking out a review of version FIVE of a simulation series which has been in production since 2007, and which is not widely advertised nor indeed especially well known outside of the circles which flight simulator enthusiasts frequent, will be reasonably well informed in this regard too and will probably already own those add-ons too.

So with a review of P3D, amongst the things people want to know is 'will it work with my add-on stuff?'. Thus it's entirely acceptable to include some of that stuff providing you say it is in there, not least because people want to know how it works with that stuff and how it performs as well. If you take for example my review of it, literally the first thing I said when we looked at the sim, after having gone through all of the changes in the new version in detail and explaining what they all mean, was to point out that I was using some add-on scenery (Orbx England, and UK2000 EGGP) and that I was using an add-on aeroplane (Aeroplane Heaven B17F). How else was I able to show the add-on features and capabilities of the sim without doing that?

So with regard to it requiring 'a dozen expensive add-ons' as you suggest most reviews do, my review had a 25 quid England scenery add-on, a 17 quid add-on airport, and an 18 quid add-on aeroplane. And that's me quoting their full prices, not even considering the fact that many of these are frequently discounted, and all of which I mentioned on literally the first shot of the video review where we examined the product's visuals.

Moreover, unless a reviewer is receiving payment for having produced their video (good luck with that), as opposed to going to the effort of producing it in order to be helpful, your suggestion that it is 'advertising', false or otherwise, is not only incorrect and disingenuous, it's actually insulting when most people who produce such videos do so for two reasons above all: that they enjoy doing so, and that they wish to help to inform people.

Feel free to produce your own review of it and see how long it takes you to do so in order to create something helpful and informative. So, that'll include testing the product, distilling your research, planning what you intend to cover, storyboarding it, scripting it, gathering additional facts and checking them for accuracy, recording and editing everything, producing additional titles, procuring or producing music, visual and audio SFX etc, and then rendering it all and uploading it, for no payment whatsoever. And all in a timely enough fashion in order to give the effort of having done so some merit for those who might wish to be informed and hopefully entertained too. Then come back and tell us where your so much better review is and we will happily watch it.

Edited April 25, 20206 yr by Chock

4 hours ago, David Mills said:

Why is it that most of the "reviews" of P3D v5 completely omit the tiny fact that the default sim looks nothing whatever like the "review" and instead requires a dozen expensive add-ons to look like what's seen in the video? 

Which is funny because, whenever we post a video that usually shows one of our add-ons with everything else *DEFAULT*, with get HAMMERED with comments like:

- You think your fps is good now ? Try with Orbx, PMDG, UT2, ActiveSky, etc. and let's see...

- You are trying with a default aircraft! NOBODY uses P3D like that, this is "false advertising!"

In a way, this is a battle that cannot be won, either you show all default, and you get complains about "of course the fps is good, it's all default!", or you stuff the sim with add-ons, and you get complains "of course it looks good, it's full of expensive add-ons!"

Excellent review Nick.  The scenery looks so close to a real video recording rather than a sim.  I'm delighted with V5 and as you say - it is the future of Flight Sim! 

Thoroughly recommend your video and at just 12 minutes its a great view for anyone on the fence about buying.

Also Chock / Alan has a longer and very informative review video at nearly 55 minutes.

Dean

 

But those waves looks terrible from distance, very big waves and blurry like hell!

It`s still too early for a review as far as I'm concerned in a month maybe when issues have been sorted and addons loaded, why people rush to have the first review I don't know I take very little notice as it`s a personal opinion.

The same will happen with MSFS.    

55 minutes ago, G-RFRY said:

It`s still too early for a review as far as I'm concerned in a month maybe when issues have been sorted and addons loaded, why people rush to have the first review I don't know I take very little notice as it`s a personal opinion.

The same will happen with MSFS.    

I agree that many people do want to get in there first with a youtube review in the hopes that they'll get a lot of views, and normally I'm fairly scathing in my opinion of such shallow motives for doing what often barely constitutes actually being a review. It is why I've refused to do an MSFS2020 overview on my channel, since the previews which Asobo are putting out are more than enough and even then, that is subject to change, so any review of that at the moment is just a load of watered-down, second-hand click bait. However...

Regardless of minor bug fixes and add-on compatability for V5, which obviously does not happen overnight, the reason I did a review/overview of P3D V5 before all that occurs, was because with the significant architectural difference between P3D V5 and all of the seven other previous iterations of ESP-based sims which have followed FSX, I thought it warranted it.

That is why I made sure I did the review on a reasonably mid-range PC and is why I covered in detail exactly what that PC had under the hood. Additionally, I spent a good while explaining what DX12 is and what it would mean in terms of the performance one might expect, as well as the other significantly different features in V5. None of that was dependent on waiting for a patch or compatibility with a ton of add-ons, so it meant that getting such a detailed review/overview out expediently was of some worth.

Yes a review is inevitably going to include some personal views and opinions, but stating things such as which CPUs and GPUs will support which features and work with the software, as I did in my effort, was not an opinion, it was entirely fact-based and there for the purpose of being informative and helpful.

And at the end of the day, any review on youtube or otherwise, is by no means compulsory viewing and I'm fairly certain people can pretty quickly sort the wheat from the chaff where such things are concerned.

I find watching several youtube reviews of the same product can fairly quickly allow one to make a reasonably good judgement most of the time. If someone is saying something is bloody marvelous when you can see it isn't from the visuals, you can cheerfully take what you need from such a video and ignore the white noise.

Edited April 25, 20206 yr by Chock

On 4/24/2020 at 2:05 PM, Boomer said:

Thanks for the review, bro.

VR:  pffft, who can actually afford that?

Its a cheaper still than to buy new airplane! 

At 6 minutes into the video he says that he can't see how the water effect plays into flight simulation.  He may take off from runways often but has never taken off from the water in real life.  That is exactly how it looks and is. Other then that, great review..  Is that the dog barking at 8:00?

Jim

CYWG

Edited April 28, 20206 yr by jagabom

I'm with David Mills on this one. He should have pointed out he was using Orbx textures. The default scenery is worse than FSX and the clouds are not as good as Flightsim World.

The waves however are great fun. Taking off in afloat plane against them is quite something.