2 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

First person shooters are boring. IMHO 😉

You're right.  I only played them off and on for a few decades before moving on. 🙂 

My fondest memory was playing Quake 2 against my 15 year old son in multiplayer.  I started off explaining to him about cooperative play when he turned, shot me twice and ran away laughing.  It went downhill from there.  Later I had to explain to my wife that the vile epithets we were hurling against each other were actually terms of endearment.

And I loved watching him play Grand Theft Auto.  He was funny as anything.  I enjoyed playing it myself.

Hook

4 minutes ago, Andreas Stangenes said:

Oh, and I almost forgot. Perhaps they should have spent some more time testing their storefront.

They did, at least 16,000 times. 😄 We used the same storefront that will be used by the Great Masses on launch day.

Hook

Ok, cool! I also heard that Vincent got his problem sorted out just now, so hopefully things will be ready. However, it is a bit worrying that MS support kinda collapsed according to Vincents experience. They got it right in the end, but that was because of the right person was there at the right time. That won't do if something goes astray on launch. 

17 minutes ago, LHookins said:

My fondest memory was playing Quake 2 against my 15 year old son in multiplayer.  I started off explaining to him about cooperative play when he turned, shot me twice and ran away laughing.  It went downhill from there.

I could never tell where our kids were in the game. They created new characters nearly daily/hourly, whereas I was a powerful mage that had played for years..... Some little ragamuffin would rush up to me at odd intervals and yell "give me money!!" then while I was getting ready to blast them they would go "its me!!" and I would cough up bucks, or accompany them as heavy artillery over-watch on their quests......

Fun times..... Come to think of it, few things I have done simming have ever been so satisfying.

4 hours ago, LHookins said:

It's ok for flight simming to not be a person's only hobby.  And most games people buy get boring after a while.

Does anyone here frequent the Minecraft communities?  If so, what are they saying about MSFS?

Hook

You're right about that.  I even get bored with the sim sometimes and take a break from it for a week or so.

I also like first person shooter games and more complex games like Half-life and The Elder Scrolls franchise. The question is: does that also work the other way, i.e. do casual gamers also like flight simulation, and do they regularly use the simulator and like it enough that they'll spend hundreds of dollars a year buying addons like a lot of us do?

My point is that flight simulators haven't historically appealed to the masses like Grand Theft Auto or Fortnite, and there are a relatively small number of hardcore flightsimmers in the world compared to typical gamers(which is actually most people nowadays as almost everyone plays video games).

Hopefully the new sim will bring a lot of new folks into the hobby.

Dave

@dave2013 I guess a big part of that is because flightsim perpherals are expensive  or at least take up some desk space. With the xbox controller that probably many have already it could be much easier to pickup and enjoy msfs. 

4 hours ago, LHookins said:

Driving a long haul truck is relatively boring, but a lot of people play trucking simulators.

Sailing a boat is boring, but lots of people play sailing sims.

"Watching grass grow" is boring, but farming simulators are popular.

I think people who are down on gamers have no idea what the gamers actually do.  First person shooters aren't the only things they play.

Hook

 

What's missing in flight sims but exists in truck sims is the mission and sense of accomplishment for many people. In a truck sim you have to deliver cargo. In a flight sim there's no talk about keeping up with a schedule to transport people or cargo. 

Not without an add-on at least.

I've found The Division 2 to be mildly entertaining with it's 3rd person style. ArmA 3 was fun for awhile for a military sim.

And I hope CyberPunk is good.