Hey guys, I'm sure a lot of you use sims to keep current on your IRL skills, and if you're like me you had enormous hopes that FS 2020 would improve on the legacy FS and X-plane flight dynamics which are not very accurate in many areas of the flight envelope. FS2020 looks gorgeous but as someone who really needs fidelity to the real thing, their physics modeling of aerodynamic forces on light piston singles is a letdown after so much anticipation.

I have not flown a 748 so I can't compare that to IRL but I am a CFI and hold an ATP and have sat in a 172 and 152 for a few thousand hours over 20 years and all I can say is that I am disappointed in FS2020's inaccurate flight model rendering of light singles.  They are about as accurate as XPlane which is ok i guess, but not very good really. Just for basics, there seems to be a decent model of left-turning factors (torque, p-factor, precession, etc.) when the plane is still on the take-off roll, but these forces magically disappear once you leave the ground. I can do a full power steep climb with no rudders, which obviously is inaccurate. Likewise, with full reality settings, I can make no-rudder steep turns just fine. Slow flight and stall behavior are likewise not accurate.  It may be that there's another realism setting I'm missing, or maybe they'll be some add-on Cessna someone designs that for $29 gets closer to reality, but I am reading all these glowing reviews and it sounds like folks are non-IRL and just really impressed by the visual renderings

But the actual flight models don't seem close to reality to me at all.

 

 

You are correct (imho). Waa looking for some setting to improve this, but couldn’t find anything. I also tried the legacy model (realistic setting)  and it feels quite similar to the modern one.

The yaw effects do seem to be simulated, but strongly reduced. Perhaps to make the xbox game controller user happy?

Kind Regards,

André

Howdy from fellow CFI.  I think 172 is note perfect but accurate to a degree. And not far from XP11 172. I do have left turning /yawing tendencies in climb. They are not that prominent, but there. Make sure your flight model is set for MODERN and global preset is REALISTIC.

Other flight model are mixed bag . Some better some worse. Bonanza and Caravan undepowered, Baron overpowered and so on. I have never flown any light sport in the game. Finger crossed flight modeling will be addressed soon 

Every flight sim I’ve used (back to the Amiga one lol) has had lacklustre default aircraft. IMHO the sim engine Is key. From what the developers are saying this sim engine rocks and we’re going to see some pretty amazing high-fidelity aircraft in the near future. 

The amount of right rudder needed on takeoff on some of these planes is actually absurd and comical.

Its ok the yoke is so off it leans sideways right... much like I fly IRL as well! 🙂

3 minutes ago, langly said:

The amount of right rudder needed on takeoff on some of these planes is actually absurd and comical.

I'm using CH rudder and feet pretty much same as in XP11. The only thing I set sensitivity to 69 percent 

I haven't flown 172 since beta, but just tried .  P-factor, torque, slipstream are all there in a climb. Amazingly even performance no that far from POH . But I tell you people who fly 172 that Asobo modeled  don't really clean windshiled before each flight ! And that rudder trim tab suppose to be bent to the left. Someone really has a strong right leg!

Its awful. All of the piston engines have the same exact dynamics to me and even with the turbo props as well... The TBM is so far off its insane, my dad had a TBM and its just laughable. Wish i could tweak them myself. I am dying for a 3rd party to install to get off of these stupid plajhes. 

9 minutes ago, broncoblair said:

Its awful. All of the piston engines have the same exact dynamics to me and even with the turbo props as well... The TBM is so far off its insane, my dad had a TBM and its just laughable. Wish i could tweak them myself. I am dying for a 3rd party to install to get off of these stupid plajhes. 

PT6 modeling is very poor so all turbine planes right now is very bad shape. I don't know to what extent Asobo will fix flight models. The only hope is for 3rd  part developers.

P.S. I used to enjoy TBM 930 in XP11 from HotStart, but then they tweaked it after many user complains about left turning tendencies in now it's very unrealistic 😞

Actually I will take it back about turbine aircraft. We just tested Caravan in another thread and it appear to be not that bad!

i say its pretty naive to think the default aircraft would mimic live .

you need A2A for that, and some others.

1 hour ago, wim123 said:

i say its pretty naive to think the default aircraft would mimic live .

you need A2A for that, and some others.

Agreed

There are like a billion variants of these 172s and 152s and apparently every one of them flies differently because for every 1 pilot who says it's inaccurate, there are 2 who say it's close to real life.

Make up your mind pilots!

14 minutes ago, Slides said:

There are like a billion variants of these 172s and 152s and apparently every one of them flies differently because for every 1 pilot who says it's inaccurate, there are 2 who say it's close to real life.

Make up your mind pilots!

my biggest issue is the control setup. I have a PFC Saab 340 yoke and it is not recognized by the game (but that is ok). My main gripe so far is that whatever I do, the C172 feels so twitchy around the pitch axis, like you have an invisible divine hand that pokes the aft empennage down repeatedly. the yoke animation inside the plane is also barely moving which is very odd as well. I have reduced sensitive curves to -45% in pitch FYI. Anything else worth trying?

YT video. 

 

Edited August 22, 20205 yr by SAS443