Here are a couple big differences between FSX and MSFS.

1) If you find a problem with MSFS, send in a ticket via Zendesk to make the team aware of it. If you found a problem in FSX, which there were many, there was no process to send anything to Microsoft.  

2) FSX had major problems and released two patches over a two year time period, if I remember correctly. That is it. Oh yeah they also eliminated that entire Aces team.

Asobo will be putting out an update in September, October, November, December and every month after that, plus they will be putting out world updates. 

4 hours ago, Dillon said:

 Some people complaining weren't around when FSX was released so they don't know 'bad'...  Airliners and/or long haulers have an issue, trying to download the sim over slow WiFi connection is an issue (much less use it under those circumstances), and some having problems optimizing their hardware.  Outside of that this is an amazing release and a leap forward no one saw coming, totally not FSX...

I'm sorry but IMHO trying to play this sim or any internet dependent game over Wi-Fi is complete and utter lunacy. Maybe I would do it in a temporary situation but otherwise give me hard wire!

6 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

With MS backing, on release, I really thought this sim would be highly polished with a few rough edges.

Seems reversed; highly rough edged with bits that are highly polished.

Stutters, blurry, traffic, ATC, landmarks, weather, frame rate, controls, tweaking;  the complaints so familiar it hurts.

Calgon, take me away.

 

Must be playing a different sim than I am I guess.  Sorry to hear that.

This generation needs this , They need to have something to grab them like this, eye candy and all. The next gen of pilots and simmers a like 15-20 years from now will be posting just how bad MSFS 2020 was compared to what they are using. Can't wait to see what this coming year will bring.

 

edit: playing this I can't help but remember the hours on the commadore 64 and FS 

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by SirDan

12 hours ago, SirDan said:

This generation needs this , They need to have something to grab them like this, eye candy and all. The next gen of pilots and simmers a like 15-20 years from now will be posting just how bad MSFS 2020 was compared to what they are using. Can't wait to see what this coming year will bring.

 

edit: playing this I can't help but remember the hours on the commadore 64 and FS 

My wife used to laugh when I'd tell her all those lines and squares and dots was Chicago.  Now I keep hearing her say, wow, times have changed.

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by dpcnh1
typo

Yes, you did. Please take care of pulling back the door when leaving.

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by Marco Manieri

17 hours ago, VeryBumpy said:

With MS backing, on release, I really thought this sim would be highly polished with a few rough edges.

Seems reversed; highly rough edged with bits that are highly polished.

Stutters, blurry, traffic, ATC, landmarks, weather, frame rate, controls, tweaking;  the complaints so familiar it hurts.

Calgon, take me away.

 

Nothing like FSX at all.

The problems that MSFS has are nothing that can't be fixed by a couple of service packs, some tweaking and a few dozen third party addons!

I'm starting to think that the majority of simmers have never used ASP4 + SkyForce 3D + PTA + ORBX TE and a quality add-on aircraft in P3D v4 or V5.

Much of the fanfare with MSFS is just ludicrous.

5 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I'm starting to think that the majority of simmers have never used ASP4 + SkyForce 3D + PTA + ORBX TE and a quality add-on aircraft in P3D v4 or V5.

Much of the fanfare with MSFS is just ludicrous.

The huge upside of MSFS is that for just $60, you can get a sim that natively includes the features that ASP4, SF3D, PTA and elements of Orbx TE all bring to P3D. That's a big money saver already.

Add in the more realistic weather data coverage, air flow modelling, photogrammetry cities, and atmospheric lighting, then yes, these aspects make MSFS an outstanding game changer for world and environment depiction.

However, the fanfare over the actual flying bit is way over the top.
What was heralded as the death of any 3PD add-on aircraft is now instantly dismissed with 'it's just the default' comments.
Any criticism of the FDE is responded to with 'give them time' / 'how many hours do you have?' / 'it has 1,000 points of reference'.

We told them in the alpha and beta stages to take a look at handling. It falls short of what makes a flight sim good, namely a close approximation of the real world equivalent.

Don't just take my word on it, try the comments from licenced pilots:

I have my fingers crossed for improvements in aircraft handling as one of the top priorities.
 

The facts released by Asobo in between the fanfare of ludicrous invention have turned out to be true. The simulator is every bit as good as they said it would be, they say they will continue to improve it and if the fanfare can be ignored, so much the better.  

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by Reader

2 minutes ago, F737NG said:

The huge upside of MSFS is that for just $60, you can get a sim that natively includes the features that ASP4, SF3D, PTA and elements of Orbx TE all bring to P3D. That's a big money saver already.

Add in the more realistic weather data coverage, air flow modelling, photogrammetry cities, and atmospheric lighting, then yes, these aspects make MSFS an outstanding game changer for world and environment depiction.

It would be amazing if it performed well on most computers. My 2600K at 4.8/Titan Pascal does a nice job rendering ORBX TE, but when I loaded MSFS it was a stuttery mess.

Every time a read that future hardware will improve performance I think about P3D v4.5. Is there a system right now that can run P3D v4.5 with all our preferred add-ons and complex airliners that can run at max settings?

Highly unlikely!

So far I like it much more than FSX or XPlane. Haven't simmed in about 3-4 years because I was tired of CTD's and chasing all the add-ons. Running a Dell with a Intel 10-700F (not overclocked), 16 GB of ram, RTX 2060 6 GB and flying the GA models on a medium setting without a single CTD yet in 1200 x 1920. Not so happy with the graphics so far but haven't even begun to start tweaking settings other than limiting FPS to 30 and cutting AI traffic to 10%. In fairness to airliner flyers, I haven't tried the 320 yet and probably wont. I prefer old heavy metal and trying to be patient for a PMDG DC-6 port or Connie from FlightSim. I realize MSFS is buggy but think in one year it will look a whole lot better and for the $ 60.00 USD I have into to it now its acceptable. 

19 minutes ago, DJJose said:

It would be amazing if it performed well on most computers. My 2600K at 4.8/Titan Pascal does a nice job rendering ORBX TE, but when I loaded MSFS it was a stuttery mess.

Every time a read that future hardware will improve performance I think about P3D v4.5. Is there a system right now that can run P3D v4.5 with all our preferred add-ons and complex airliners that can run at max settings?

Yes. Calling @Rob_Ainscough and his "NASA PC" 😄

Where FSX got it wrong was in imagining a future world where CPUs would be clocking at 8GHz, rather than GPUs taking the heavy lifting.
I think there are some coding problems with MSFS, like the active window bug (and possibly Windows dynamic thread boosting issue https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/comments/ifle4x/huge_performance_booststutter_reduction_by/)

I'd like to think that MSFS is placed about right with regards to tech. A little bit out of range of current tech, but the next generation of AMD Ryzen 4000 series / Intel Rocket Lake CPUs and Big Navi / RTX 3000 series GPUs will allow the sim to perform as well as we want.
 

Edited August 24, 20205 yr by F737NG

15 minutes ago, F737NG said:

Yes. Calling @Rob_Ainscough and his "NASA PC" 😄

Where FSX got it wrong was in imagining a future world where CPUs would be clocking at 8GHz, rather than GPUs taking the heavy lifting.

and on one core.

11 hours ago, Sky_Dancer said:

I'm sorry but IMHO trying to play this sim or any internet dependent game over Wi-Fi is complete and utter lunacy.

2006 called, they want their ideas back. I do lots of gaming and streaming on multiple platforms over 5 GHz N just fine, not being able to use a piece of software over WiFi in 2020 is lunacy.