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GOOD GRIEF I read some of those 60 reviews, and some poor chap was on hold for 110 minutes with Microsoft, his FSX wouod not install, etc... (reviewer = Graphex)Now what is going to happen when we have to activate after installing our precious DX10 cards? And this can be requireed often. Since when is installing a videocard a change of computer anyways...wait 2 hours on hold?>?

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Well I am not sure that "outside of our community" would be a fare statement. Judging by some of the detail and length of the reviews, I believe it would be fair to say that most of these reviews were by people directly within the community.Bob

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Wow...not often see that many reviews at Amazon...And some people think all is going well....Bill

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Not only some people think all is going well, they even have the gall to say that all of us are BS. 50 odd of those 64 gave FSX a pathetic review-take that!!

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Well, that's pretty bad. ~50 bad reviews out of 62.I really like the POTENTIAL of FSX, I just cant come to grips with how bad it runs even on new hardware. I admit, I didn't buy THE best, but it's still pretty good.I have tried the tweaks, but still not good for me. FS9 with UT, Level-D and AS runs easily for me at 28+ FPS.Most of the 'defenders' on here must be either 'official' beta testers who dont want to bite the hand that feeds them the ego boost, or payware developers who are worried that no one will buy anything they develop for FSX for fear of a slideshow! Have no fear payware devs, I'm currently gobbling up all the FS9 addons I had put on hold pending the FSX release!!!This situation reminds me of the FS98 - FS2000 fiasco.FS2002 - FS2004, why do some people go on about this being the same as now (FS9 - FSX)?? Performance wise, it wasn't much different from FS2002.I had very few issues with the jump to FS9. Once the autogen fix was known it's pretty much been plain sailing.I certainly don't remember the forums being this vocal back then.Well, FSX is installed and it will probably stay installed. I like it for low level GA flying, but that's about it. My tricked out FS9 will do for another 12 months or so which does run very well on the hardware I assembled for FSX.....go figure.

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>Not only some people think all is going well, they even have>the gall to say that all of us are BS. 50 odd of those 64 gave>FSX a pathetic review-take that!!Being a lover of aviation and flight sims in general, I'm saddened by the fact that FSX is taking such a hit. Some of the flak deserved, some not. But what I find most pathetic Santanu, is that you seem thrilled that FSX getting those bad reviews. What a guy.....

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I agree with Paul, it sucks plain and simple. Its going to be up to us to do something about it in a professional and mature manner. By community, I meant those of us right here on a day to day basis. There might have been a few there on that site from here, but most dont appear to be.Hornit

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It deosn't matter where they came from. To Granny looking for a Xmas pressies for Little Jimmy, FSX just got knocked off the list.That is what will hurt MS the most. Not us Few. Our 70 bucks is pretty irrelevant to them, we are a few dozen, maybe a few hundred. But when the many stay away in droves, it will hurt MS right in the only place they can feel it - in the wallet. Retailers demanding refunds on orders that aren't shifting off the shelves. A new release product heavily discounted within a week of release. A product activation that seems determined to keep purchasers from actually palying the game, not helping them to do so. And a bra made of clouds offers better customer support. All these things cost MS money. Good.And when certain product managers may find themselves forced to explain to Board Directors what went wrong, and what is being done to correct it, before those Board Directors have to face the wrath of the shareholders, something may get done about it. Allcott

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Imagine what some buyers, who are not aware of the various forums, think.

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>I agree with Paul, it sucks plain and simple. Its going to be>up to us to do something about it in a professional and mature>manner.>Hornit - With all due respect to your experience in the community, I disagree with that statement as far as *I* am concerned. What I mean is - there is a poster I communicate with on one of the newsgroups - he's a long time IT pro and an avid FS fan. His system is a 3.9G dual core with2 G high speed ram, dual SLI 7950 512/M video cards, 42" windescreen monitor that he runs at some ridiculous resolution - for *him* FSX sucks - doesn't take advantage of dual core, dual SLI, etc. He doesn't want to have to reduce resolution to get the sim to run, etc -so - for *him* and for *you* - it sucks! But I have P4 3.4 - what the heck do I care if it supports dual core - big whoopee. I would venture a guess there are more of us who do NOT have dual core processors than not, and I also venture a guess that we do NOT think it sucks. Not perfect, even by 3.4 standards yes but eminently flyable, beautiful eye candy in the areas that I like eye candy and so on.I guess I object to knowledgeable folk like yourself who paint the FSX product AND the FS franchise with *your* paint brush. You do not speak for me. I do NOT object to your voicing your opinion, nor do I object to your opinion itself. Just that it goes no farther than your nose and those of he folks who share your view - right or wrong - and the same goes with my opinion.Absolutely no disrespect intended - I hope it came out that way.BTW, if I had spent what my friend spent on his 42" system ,etc - I would probably have the same opinion.Just another viewpoint and as always, just MHO,VicVisit the Virtual Pilot's Centerwww.flightadventures.comhttp://www.hifisim.com/Active Sky V6 Proud SupporterRadar Contact Supporter: http://www.jdtllc.com/

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Since a point is always made by Geofa (and others) we went through the exact same thing with previous releases of Flight Simulator. Go check the reviews on Amazon for FS9 and FS2002 before it. This proves more than anything FSX is in a class of it's own... Even FS2000 came in with better reviews. I'm going to search some other sites for reviews on all the different version of FS. Thanks for sharing... :-)

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You don't find the:Do you have any trouble running fs2004 with 2350 votes (compared to 62 reviews on amazon presently) that states:Yes Pc too slowYes graphics card problemsYes fs2004 can't startNo it runs fine with the top three clearly outweighing the "no it runs fine" somewhat similar?http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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I don't know Geofa if your reading that correctly (or if I'm reading it correctly). I like Amazon's review system. I'm going to look at some other sites and see what reviewers are saying about FSX compared to previous versions. From what I've found so far your argument about this being the same set of issues all over again like what we saw with FS9 is officially blown out the water. FSX is in a class by itself...

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Well I think the stats on that site are pretty clear-the bars represent the number of votes and clearly the unhappy are the majority with fs2004. The amazon review and current polls out now such as you posted yesterday have only about 62 for the amazon to about 100 votes total for the other site-and I thought the other site looks pretty favorable-especially compared to the above fs2004 link. It is way to early to draw any conclusions however. It would be interesting to know the sales at amazon vs. the reviews at this point. I know when I buy something I rarely give a review if I am satisfied-but certainly do when not.In any case we will know in time. If you are really interested-try to find similar polls on fly,flyII,propilot, and flight unlimited.http://mywebpages.comcast.net/geofa/pages/rxp-pilot.jpg

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Sorry amazon reviews are not polls. There just reviews half the people don't even own the product when they so call review it. I have read some stupid reviews on places like amazon.This is just an example review made up by me but you get the point.EXample onPlay Station rules Xbox Stinks I dont own a PS yet but it rules anyway. My bother said Xbox stinks and he knows because his friend which don't have one tolds him so.EXample off.The real test will be in about a year. Right now FSX works for me so I'm happy. Thats my vote.

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>Not only some people think all is going well, they even have>the gall to say that all of us are BS. 50 odd of those 64 gave>FSX a pathetic review-take that!!Unfortunatly half of those 50 are on crack. All I had to do is read the first few and conclude some of these idiots have no clue.Heck the first person was comparing framerates against fps games.Another person was saying his 300mghz box "that he/she thinks MS saysit is a optimal machine" would not even load. Well duh it doesn't evenmeet half the specs.Ken B#*$# and moaned about not having forward viz in 2d panel view and has "thousands of hours in the previous sims". Well maybe he shouldcheck out the option menu sometime and figure out things you can control.Btw my old honk of junk gets 10-20 fps on the barren landscape areas, but your're not going to see me B8$*3 and moan about how it runs. Onlypeople I feel sorry for is all the install and activation issuses. Ihad a install problem that was fixed by just switching out dvd players.

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Im willing to bet FSX is a strong contender for Flight Sim of the Year.

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I agree that this sim is a bloated dog,but what really kills this hobby of mine is the upcoming micro$oft eula for vista. A company couldn't have picked a better way to kill this hobby for people on fixed incomes. FS9 is it for me,Then its on to something new.Whats funny is that I work for a part 121 airline and my quality of living is actually going down :-lol Oh well,Ill keep playing powerball.

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"I guess I object to knowledgeable folk like yourself who paint the FSX product AND the FS franchise with *your* paint brush. You do not speak for me. I do NOT object to your voicing your opinion, nor do I object to your opinion itself. Just that it goes no farther than your nose and those of he folks who share your view - right or wrong - and the same goes with my opinion."Vic, Thats cool I dont take any offense to what you say. We all are entitled to our opinions. I will say one thing, I was a beta tester and I cant say much more than that. I don't profess to speak for anyone else in here. What I am trying to get across is that If you are familiar with my history and my demeanor, I'm not a hothead. I have given a substantial amount of my time to this community and I WANT this sim to succeed in this arena. I don't see how its going to happen with what we have and it bugs me. So I post about it. Arguing about how many fps you can get is pointless. Pointing out things like porked landclass, memory issues, and installation bugs is not. Thats why I am here. The beta is over, and its time for the world to let MS and Aces know what we want fixed. If we don't say anything, do you want to live with a stuttering mess once we the aftermarket products start coming out? Personally I think there are several huge things Aces could do to help. We will see I guess. Hopefully it wont take too long. I understand the discomfort some have with this but I have always been all about telling it like it is, this situation is no different.Hornit

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Arguing about sales is a moot point. This sim will sell hugely. Just the fact that they have plastered the TV with adds this time around will make a giant difference IMHO. Who in here has NOT seen that add??Hornit

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