This a complete dog's dinner! I am still unable to get the camera where I want in the VC, without somehow assigning two views on one controller button. An absolute joke! Maybe it's me, buit I've been messing around with this for four months!!

Howard it's you, 😜 Sorry

Welcome to the club.  The camera options are so confusing.  I've had the sim since it came out and am still tinkering with the camera.  I've been getting most of my help from Youtube videos.  Can't wait till Chaseplane comes here.  I think the camera logic is a mixture of Chinese and Greek  LOL

Gnacino

If you keep think of it as chaseplane you will never get it. 

LOL! You guys have discovered one of the most frustrating and unrealistic aspects of most sims - the simple ability to look around or choose things that aren't buried in abstractions (like a keyboard - designed for writing - not simming), Software designers need to think more visually. For example, instead of a long list of key-chained button commands for individual functions, which you have to memorize, or look up on some chart, controls should have more logical and/or visual layouts. Here's a simple one: I should be able to toggle a single key that represents a rotating knob on a control panel. Choose it and then use my mouse scroll button to move it. Cameras? How about using a grouping of adjacent keys to represent camera views? Lets choose something easy for illustration. Consider the group of 9 keys making up the number pad on the right end of most keyboards. Just like with the knob example, I toggle a single key (or key combo) somewhere on the main keyboard. Now the number pad becomes a means to choose a view direction. The numeral 5 at the center of the cluster could be used to exit out of the mode, or to modify the viewing functions represented by the surrounding keys. How about using key combos that contain the first two or three letters of a particular control name rather than a random sequence added to a long list of other random sequences that have no relationship to anything. Yes, this concept might be somewhat limiting because of the shear number of required functions, but there are likely ways to overcome that limitation using visual relationships or logic too. My point is that software writers (bless them) are numbers guys. Most of the rest of us work naturally with visual logic. Designers need to spend more time coming up with creative VISUAL and LOGICAL relationships for complex software like sims. They just need some people who are creative and think a bit more outside the box. The endless lists of illogical functions available in MSFS just make me want to throw up my hands and quit at times. It's all just too overwhelming for my aging brain and slowing reflexes. And it's a LONG WAY from realism. They could do better.

I find this to be true...
1: "toggle drone view"... use that to jump to drone view, it never fails.

2: "cockpit/external view mode"... use that to jump to external view. It never fails for that ONE particular purpose.  But do NOT use it to jump back to cockpit view, unreliable, a crapshoot.

3: "toggle cockpit view"... use this to jump back to cockpit view. It never fails no matter which state you are in.

 

 

 

 

 

Visual and logical was the design goal of a very large expensive team of military engineers that laid out the F16 HOTAS flightstick. 4 hats can be reached with the thumb in 1/4 of a second. A flipper under the pinkie can alter each hat position to an alternate command (the flipper is the 'shift' key). 32 commands very fast and easy.

Which is why I bought the Thrustmaster F16 back in the gameport days before USB. Then the CH Fighterstick. And now the Thrustmaster Warthog. They all have the same exact layout, and they are all light years easier than using a yoke with a paltry number of buttons and hats.

 

My Gladiator II joystick has the "alternate" button you describe, also extending the options to, I believe, 32, but MSFS doesn't seem to support it

Is it possible to get ***tower view**like it was in FSX? I think it would be very handy when replay option will be available..

I'll just add one more... they made such an elaborate camera system but there's no option to save custom external views. Why?

I posted above back in January, and I have still not been able to sort this darn rediculous system out. Why when I go to an external view and then click the button on my joystick to return to the cockpit does it... A) return to a view that I have not saved (ie it is similar but pointing downwards) and B) when I click the same button again it moves to the camera view that I have actually assigned. Crazy and I would love someone to offer a little time to help me out with this, as it has seriously impacted my enjoyment of this sim. 

Edited July 26, 20214 yr by Rockliffe