On 1/24/2021 at 7:39 PM, Fielder said:

I find the torque effect on all the deluxe and premium planes are reasonable. I don't much care that their files are encrypted because I don't want to change them. But some 3rd party planes have very unrealistic (way overdone) torque effects. The lazy users won't change the configuration files to make it fly correctly and will resort to tricks with the controls that should not be necessary.

I prefer realism. So I am sure as H am going to change that config file if the new plane flies silly and contrary to real life. Realistic does NOT necessarily mean harder. Sometimes realistic means easier.

The problem is for us non-pilots, well we don't exactly know what is supposed to be realistic or not. Sure I can think back to Xplane, but not to FSX since FSX was like rails on the ground.

Also, those settings are likely overrides rather than defaults, the structure of the config files expose some override settings, but it does not mean that internally the settings are the same just because the default override was the same, it's only 1 multiplier in a series that supports that override in the config. I could be wrong here, but that is what I would assume.

 

Edited May 1, 20215 yr by Alpine Scenery

On 4/30/2021 at 11:01 PM, jsbryner said:

Look at how far to the yoke is turned to the right. Upon takeoff, he releases the side pressure immediately.

Sounds more like a crosswind correction for takeoff - the practices may be different today, but it was a common procedure when I trained to turn the ailerons into the wind during the takeoff roll, then neutralize them upon liftoff as the aircraft vaned into the wind a bit.  For prop torque, it's the rudder that does the heavy lifting.

6 hours ago, RandallR said:

Sounds more like a crosswind correction for takeoff - the practices may be different today, but it was a common procedure when I trained to turn the ailerons into the wind during the takeoff roll, then neutralize them upon liftoff as the aircraft vaned into the wind a bit.  For prop torque, it's the rudder that does the heavy lifting.

Why do you think procedures would be different today. Flying basic principles don't ever change. 

Principles, no.  Recommended procedures, yes.

I did my flight-training in the early 70's and most of my flying in the 70's and 80's.  When I talk to pilots today about approach, landing, takeoff, power settings, flap use, flaring, braking procedures, etc. I find that pilots today, in some cases, are being trained differently.  Also, that what we used to generalize for all aircraft in my flying days has been proven to not be absolutely applicable to all aircraft (such as "power controls altitude - attitude controls speed").

Under crosswind conditions, especially if it was fairly strong, we were taught to turn the ailerons fully into the wind, so in my takeoff run you would have seen my yoke turned fully in that direction (at least at the beginning).  If the crosswind were strong I would continue to hold the yoke full over.  Rather than a smooth rotation, we would hold the aircraft on the ground a little longer, then "pop it" off the ground.  The aircraft would begin to turn into the wind and we would neutralize the ailerons when at the proper departing crab angle.

On 9/26/2020 at 7:53 AM, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

just a brake pedal stuck so I give a good hard kick to my rudder pedals a few times and all is good

lol, ah the joys of simming 🙂

 

22 minutes ago, RandallR said:

(such as "power controls altitude - attitude controls speed")

I believe you are referring the old adage of "power controls altitude, pitch controls speed".  I was trained and flew in the same years.

Aircraft, even the same product lines, have evolved over the years, including influence of updates to older aircraft.

Edited May 2, 20215 yr by fppilot

That's the one! Where did you fly out of?

One difference I have noticed now compared to "back in the day"  is the old assumption was you were training for a PPL to eventually hire or buy a light GA plane for personal use.

There seems a tendency now to assume students are eventually wanting to progress to complex aircraft and a commercial licence and eventually long term a job with the airlines flying heavies.  

 

 

There was a good mix of goals when I flew - there were certainly those that were looking to stay in GA for their personal use.  I'll give a few examples of those I flew with.  I had 3 instructors:

• The FBO and owner of the field
• CFI#1 - he was working to become a corporate pilot
• CFI#2 - a high school history teacher who fell in love with flying and wanted to get out of teaching.  He was doing multi-engine training while instructing me and was already an accomplished IFR-rated commercial pilot.  His main goal was ATP and an airline career.  By the time I finished up with him he was hired as a corporate pilot, which allowed me to get some right seat time in a Queen Air and a Citation.  🙂

Out of all the people who were training there I would say it was about 50/50 - fairly even between GA and climbing the pro ladder.

Before messing with values, look up 'P-factor' which should explain the pulling (in the real world at least) and how it relates to whichever plane(s) you're using

On 9/26/2020 at 11:36 AM, kerosene31 said:

We're trying to determine if this is realistic or not, not to be told to "practice more".  I'm going to take a wild guess and say that most planes won't roll inverted on you if you take your hands off the controls for a few seconds.  If I'm wrong, and this is real behavior we should learn, great.  If 2020 happens to be right and every other sim/addon we've flown for the past couple of decades are wrong, let us know.  Again, I'm going to guess that this behavior is greatly exaggerated.  

We want to fix unrealistic behavior, not practice doing it wrong.  

Hi keroscene31,

You're absolutely correct! The behavior in all simulators, including the MSFS2020 is exaggerated! I've flown these types of planes and the although the prop does pull your plane to the left, it DOES NOT violently pull you to the left and you do not have to constantly adjust the left and right rudder pedals to maintain directional control. In most of my flights, I've hardly had to use the rudder peddle to maintain directional control. In flight simulator, you have to constantly twist the joystick back and forth, and is very jerky, just to maintain directional control, and that is NOT the behavior of the real airplane. We should not have to practice these unrealistic behaviors but FIX the unrealistic behaviors! Yes, you can take the plane up in flight, let go of the controls, and it will fly straight and maintain altitude, providing the power setting is correct and there are no gusty winds. That is how the plane was designed. For it to roll over, you have to force the plane to do so.

Ken.

Edited June 1, 20224 yr by kmanning