23 minutes ago, JacquesBrel said:

Oh for crying out loud! How hard can it be for community developers to test their fixes properly? I don't think it's unreasonable to expect fixes that just fix stuff without breaking other stuff. From now on I will never have any reasonable expectiations for any stuff coming from the MFS community. Ever.

I'm shaking my head with so much disappointment that I can't see what I'm typimng onm my screemn gjpl flp dlrp   

Heres an idea,make your own fix then. Community developers have basically saved our asses from day one, in msfs, fs9,fsx, p3d, xp11. And yes, its TOTALLY unreasonable to expect anything from a guy that has a day job, a family, but still bust his word not allowed trying to fix, create, edit our sims, just for the love of it. And dont forget that these guys are trying to fix stuff they didnt even break. And with MSFS, lets not forget that a lot of stuff is "server side", wich is a nogo zone for indy devellopers. Long story short, you'r probably a great guy, but come on...a bit of decency.

19 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

This is not some small independent developer getting to grips with a new programming language, releasing cheap products.

Actually, what I see is a small team, Asobo and Microsoft getting to grips with a very complex software release, and admitting that their rushed approach to release fixes is not working..

As for "full price"... I consider $60 a bargain for what they have shipped thus far  🙂

1 minute ago, Bert Pieke said:

Actually, what I see is a small team, Asobo and Microsoft getting to grips with a very complex software release, and admitting that their rushed approach to release fixes is not working..

As for "full price"... I consider $60 a bargain for what they have shipped thus far  🙂

YES, people have to put it in perspective that they hold on their PC a piece of software, paid 60$, thats basically ground breaking, packed with technologies thats basically never been used in commercially available "game", ever, in the history of humankind. I mean come on, they combined big data, AI, procedural generation, streaming, in a software that recreates the planet earth...Im only 33, i have the sames bugs and problems with MSFS as anyone else, but i still cant wrap my head around how any of this is possible, and what is it going to become in a few years!

33 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Because then they know that if they release sub-standard, faulty products they won't have people like you defending them for it - frankly.

This is not some small independent developer getting to grips with a new programming language, releasing cheap products.

This is a multinational business, with revenues greater than the GDP of Luxembourg and Croatia combined, charging full price for a commercial product release, and providing a fundamentally flawed product - actually introducing new flaws with every 'patch.'

I'm not sure what you expect to change if your view is that every time they fail you just ignore it. If I were working at Microsoft, I'd be laughing my butt off at the fact that there have been several rushed and ineffectual patches to a broken product and there are people actually defending it.

It's disgraceful.

I mean can you imagine the meeting after the patch?

Manager 1: So we've released the patch, how did it go?

Manager 2: Really bad actually. We've not addressed lots of the issues from the initial release, and we've actually introduced more problems.

Manager 1: So we're going to be punished by bad reviews, and lower incomes?

Manager 2: No, they don't care and have no intentions to hold us to account. 

Manager 1: Any reason to try any harder?

Manager 2: ....................

 

You give too much credit to microsoft here. The main guys are actually in Asobo Studios. Microsoft funds them of course, but im guessing its nowhere the GDP of any country on earth 😄

17 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

Actually, what I see is a small team, Asobo and Microsoft getting to grips with a very complex software release, and admitting that their rushed approach to release fixes is not working..

As for "full price"... I consider $60 a bargain for what they have shipped thus far  🙂

You're objectively wrong, Bert.

You're talking about the largest software company in the history of the planet, with a market cap (at approx $1 trillion) bigger than the next 10 biggest consumer software companies in the world combined.

Last time I checked it was called Microsoft Flight Simulator, not Asobo flight simulator.

As for 'full price' - that's normal price for every full fledged commercial release.

You can look through my previous posts for my position on MSFS. I was one of its biggest supporters through development. But the handling of the release and subsequent patches has been perhaps the worst of ANY main platform game/simulator release I have seen in the last decade.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by 2reds2whites

4 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

You give too much credit to microsoft here. The main guys are actually in Asobo Studios. Microsoft funds them of course, but im guessing its nowhere the GDP of any country on earth 😄

Is it called Asobo Flight Simulator?

22 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

Long story short, you'r probably a great guy, but come on...a bit of decency.

My post was not meant seriously, I hoped that would be very obvious...

4 minutes ago, JacquesBrel said:

My post was not meant seriously, I hoped that would be very obvious...

Woops, my bad, actually thought you were dead serious. More smileys next time 😄

11 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Is it called Asobo Flight Simulator?

Facepalm...

7 minutes ago, JacquesBrel said:

My post was not meant seriously, I hoped that would be very obvious...

It was actually not.. at least not to me..

Just now, leprechaunlive said:

Facepalm...

Why the facepalm?

Who are you giving money to?

Asobo, or the biggest software company in the world? Who's taking your cash?

9 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Why the facepalm?

Who are you giving money to?

Asobo, or the biggest software company in the world? Who's taking your cash?

irrelevant. the point here is who is working on the software, whos pushing out the patches and updates.

19 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Last time I checked it was called Microsoft Flight Simulator, not Asobo flight simulator.

As for 'full price' - that's normal price for every full fledged commercial release.

Yes, and some of us paid more. I'm flying the $90 version, which is more than I've ever paid for a flight sim or AAA game as a first release. 

To be clear, I got my money's worth as a "world sightseeing sim" and the scenery part of the sim is amazing, at least in some areas. But I'm looking for more than that as a flight sim. I think Microsoft is getting all the blowback they deserve for the problems on release, and how the recent patch is more retrograde than an improvement in the sim. 

3 minutes ago, leprechaunlive said:

irrelevant. the point here is who is working on the software, whos pushing out the patches and updates.

Let me spell this out in rather big letters, as you seem to fundamentally struggle with who is taking payment and responsibility for your newly acquired software. Check the license agreement, check the store where it can be bought, check who you pay the money to, and check the name.

MICROSOFT Flight Simulator.

Edited October 1, 20205 yr by 2reds2whites

2 minutes ago, 2reds2whites said:

Let me spell this out in rather big letters, as you seem to fundamentally struggle with who is taking payment and responsibility for your newly acquired software. Check the license agreement, check the store where it can be bought, check who you pay the money to, and check the name.

MICROSOFT Flight Simulator.

You miss the point entirely....and i havent got any problems with Microsoft by the way, i actually love the company, so, could you write it in even bigger letters, with a a few hearth emoticons, please.