PMDG 737 NG3 delayed to 12+ months

[united001 126]

9 hours ago, suncoastflyer said:

Unfortunate news but it's pretty much to be expected, as long as it hits the usual PMDG standards it'll be worth it. Could be worse - it took them 4 years after FSX to release the NGX so anything sooner than that is ideally very good, especially for a brand new platform.

This is an excellent reminder that our most favorite add-ons for FSX such as PMDG and others only came after not months, but years of development and waiting for them. None of that changes for MSFS which essentially is a done-from-scratch sim from the ground up. I for one am good with it all.

United001

 

[nicboyGS 34]

I don't understand PMDG's decisions. They spent lots of time bring out BBJ or Cargo 737, while many are waiting for the 777 to be used in P3DV5, what's their logic then. Do they think people really care that much about a variant of the 737 than an entirely fleet of usable 777 or even 787. It is not really understandable from a customer's point of view. The resource spent on BBJ is not worth than much anticipated 777.

[Wise87 1,281]

28 minutes ago, nicboyGS said:

I don't understand PMDG's decisions. They spent lots of time bring out BBJ or Cargo 737, while many are waiting for the 777 to be used in P3DV5, what's their logic then. Do they think people really care that much about a variant of the 737 than an entirely fleet of usable 777 or even 787. It is not really understandable from a customer's point of view. The resource spent on BBJ is not worth than much anticipated 777.

As they have said many times there is more than one team working at PMDG. The crew assigned to the 777 has the most work involved bring it up to speed compared to the 737 and 747 which were already updated. The 737 expansions are a lot easier for the 737 team to work because the base is already been updated. The 777 is almost a ground up project seeing it is the oldest in the product line. Your under the assumption that there is only one group working and they only work one aircraft at a time. Just because you don’t care about the 737 expansion doesn’t mean others don’t. I wanted the Cargo version but could care less about the BBJ. There are some who love the BBJ from all the replies. So it’s a user preference on what they prefer. I’m also waiting for the 777 which I know will arrive soon. I’m just patient to wait. 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Wise87

[pjs37 319]

I love all the hyperbole on these forums when one can just read what PMDG said themselves on the matter and then people continue to ignore that and make up whatever they feel like.

1) PMDG has said they feel MSFS is the future platform of choice.

2) They said the SDK is not where they need it to be but they are ACTIVELY communicating with Asobo which is unprecedented for them.

3) They are looking at a Q3/Q4 2021 release of a 737 for MSFS and will be moving resources to continue P3D development in the mean time.

Other things we can infer: making a study level aircraft takes time.  A lot of times couple that with a new SDK platform and its not so simple as just "porting" it over.  That much is clear from the delays.

[Ixoye 1,821]

I'm not surprised, quality takes time to achieve, but such a long development time gives a hint that the price will be accordingly.

Edited October 19, 2020 by Ixoye

[Peter Webber 339]

29 minutes ago, pjs37 said:

I love all the hyperbole on these forums when one can just read what PMDG said themselves on the matter and then people continue to ignore that and make up whatever they feel like.

1) PMDG has said they feel MSFS is the future platform of choice.

2) They said the SDK is not where they need it to be but they are ACTIVELY communicating with Asobo which is unprecedented for them.

3) They are looking at a Q3/Q4 2021 release of a 737 for MSFS and will be moving resources to continue P3D development in the mean time.

Other things we can infer: making a study level aircraft takes time.  A lot of times couple that with a new SDK platform and its not so simple as just "porting" it over.  That much is clear from the delays.

I totally agree with you, but to even try to sell PMDG MSFS products at this point would render all their 'not yet released" P3D products redundant! So I beleive their business choice is not totally linked to the "fluid MSFS SDK", but to get their P3D products out to a point where the income justifies movement forward..I mean these guys have been working for years on GFO, etc. And it could mean MSFS NG3 release now would make all that redundant..so they release P3D products, get the recovery of funds, wait a year, then move on for MSFS.

[Peter Webber 339]

9 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

The "Trajectory" part is the concern for me .... will the gamers get more game or will the simmers get more sim or both or compromises?

With C++ and WASM, there is probably "some" portability, how much I don't know.  I'm a bit surprised more people aren't aware of the SDK limits ... everyone can run Developer mode and download/install the SDK and get access to the current documentation ...  you'll see the "Work in progress", "TODO", "NOT SUPPORTED" thru-out the documentation.  I would venture "12" months is aggressive and side more with "12+" months assuming the "Trajectory" doesn't change.  If more folks read the MSFS SDK documentation, I think you'd understand why it will take time.

Cheers, Rob.

Understood! I'm a pilot, and know nothing about software development....And I have a huge respect for your input to these forums!

Edited October 19, 2020 by Peter Webber

[pjs37 319]

1 hour ago, Peter Webber said:

I totally agree with you, but to even try to sell PMDG MSFS products at this point would render all their 'not yet released" P3D products redundant! So I beleive their business choice is not totally linked to the "fluid MSFS SDK", but to get their P3D products out to a point where the income justifies movement forward..I mean these guys have been working for years on GFO, etc. And it could mean MSFS NG3 release now would make all that redundant..so they release P3D products, get the recovery of funds, wait a year, then move on for MSFS.

Oh probably.  They can't very well stay still.  If something looks like a longer pipeline then they had expected those additional resources you may have planned to move to MSFS should be moved back to P3D products in the mean time so they can keep continued income during the now longer then expected MSFS development time.

[flyforever 267]

Whether anyone likes or not, FS2020 has put everyone in a holding pattern. The sheer size of MS makes all developers want to develop for the new sim. At the same time, sales of older sims have probably waned, so it's a loss-loss for everyone. Asobo has a lot of work ahead so that activity can resume. For now, there's no going back.

tc

[B777ER 2,486]

4 hours ago, Peter Webber said:

I believe our professional aircraft developers are playing for time to sell off their existing P3D stock..😉

Yes, because they they have back stock sitting on shelves of their software downloads. Most ridiculous thing I've seen today. 

[B777ER 2,486]

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

If more folks read the MSFS SDK documentation, I think you'd understand why it will take time.

Cheers, Rob.

Why would they do that when they can speculate and say it's a nefarious plot by PMDG to sell more P3D products in back stock. I swear, I should sell tin foil hats on here.

[Nyxx 6,993]

Anyone knowns if they have been around long enough Robert’s time line are always, + 6 months to a 1.5 years out.

So 2 years for the NG3 is my bet.

But let’s look at this like this. Unlike the passive negative put downs.

quote from Robert PMDG

Working in concert with Asobo has been a new experience for us, as we are normally very much just our own isolated team- but it has been invigorating to work with a team of devs so fully dedicated to the success of their platform. One day I will tell you what this is like and how it is changing the way we work

Lefteris from FSL

They have been requesting, and we have been providing information on all the technical aspects that are required to make our product compatible with this new platform. As many of you are aware however, the complexity of migrating products with such a high level of fidelity as ours requires that the underlying platform, and particularly the development kit for aircraft add-ons needs to grow and mature before it can sufficiently host them at the level required. We are confident that the Asobo team has the talent to make that a reality.

AS have been praising the team all along.

All these guys would not say these things if it was not true, so sit back, enjoy what MSFS brings and go fly P3D if you want to fly a FSL, PMDG. Simple.

 

Edited October 19, 2020 by Nyxx

[captain420 3,099]

What I really want is the PMDG 777 for MSFS!

[CaptainNick 575]

JS41 or nothing! #TeamJetstream4Life

In reality everyone had to see this coming. A2A initially had a bullish prospect of possibly having planes ported quickly, but that seems to have fizzled out as well.
 

[pjs37 319]

2 minutes ago, CaptainNick said:

JS41 or nothing! #TeamJetstream4Life

In reality everyone had to see this coming. A2A initially had a bullish prospect of possibly having planes ported quickly, but that seems to have fizzled out as well.
 

I would think anything with deep hooks into the sim and really stepped outside the standard box would run into a lot of similar hurdles.  However they made it work is going to be different or not even implemented yet in MSFS that its going to be slow going until the SDK catches up.  Both A2A and PMDG definitely had a lot of custom parts to their stuff. But those things are outside my area of expertise I am just making assumptions and speculation.