2 hours ago, HumptyDumpty said:

Drive booth sector will not force a BIOS reset.   LOl  ok. 

Something did. Some change to the drive definitely was causing it. Still -

But the good news is that the current 460.56 NVIDIA driver is now installing!😀😀😀 What joy! It's installed! 

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by jarmstro

2 hours ago, jarmstro said:

Something did. Some change to the drive definitely was causing it. Still -

But the good news is that the current 460.56 NVIDIA driver is now installing!😀😀😀 What joy! It's installed! 

are you back booting into a desktop now?

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

are you back booting into a desktop now?

Yes I am but in Ubuntu. And I've hit a snag again. I've installed the latest Nvidia drivers (properly) but the control panel won't let me change the resolution without privileges. So it's back to the terminal but I don't know what the command is? 
 

I can change the resolution in settings for the desktop but when I start XP it uses the NV control panel res (1660 x 1200) and if I try to change it it crashes. What fun!😀

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by jarmstro

nvidia control panel is

nvidia-settings

as super user to give it permission to alter system settings. to get it to work properly you will still need all those dependancies installed, and whatever graphics drivers ubuntu ship as default removed. iirc the ubuntu version of dnf is apt-get, but beyond that I dont know much about configuring ubuntu for performance. does 

apt-get tuned

work?

21 minutes ago, mSparks said:

nvidia control panel is

nvidia-settings

as super user to give it permission to alter system settings. to get it to work properly you will still need all those dependancies installed, and whatever graphics drivers ubuntu ship as default removed. iirc the ubuntu version of dnf is apt-get, but beyond that I dont know much about configuring ubuntu for performance. does 

apt-get tuned

work?

I installed the dependencies and removed the driver the screen was using. At least the text whorled by and I assume i did. It seemed to do it. And I also set Ubuntu to performance mode courtesy of some web instructions. Settings says I'm using the intended driver. Yeah. I need to set the resolution in the terminal but as yet I don't know how. So now, XP will only run at 1660 x 200 and when you exit XP the desktop goes back to this resolution as well. Ubuntu won't let the NVidia console set the resolution.

I may have another go at Fedora as I gain confidence. Fedora was definitely borking something although it was no doubt at all user error.

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by jarmstro

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

I may have another go at Fedora as I gain confidence. Fedora was definitely borking something although it was no doubt at all user error.

Fedora I can help with, I've commited pretty much every case of user error there is over the years.

just a quick note in case (like me, when those "bios" type messages would appear) you missed one of the biggest changes in hardware over the years and you will still see references to.

once upon a time there was bios, a dumb tiny computer on the motherboard that could just about manage to draw enough text on the screen to let you select which hard disk to boot from, which it would do by looking at a very specific place on the disk.

Now there is EUFI (not the eurofighter typhoon), the bios is actually a pretty powerful little computer, with GUI, and operating systems can load up their disk space with extra software to do more things when they boot. This is what the 

mv /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r)-nouveau.img
 
## Create new initramfs image ##
dracut /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r)

lines were changing - stripping out nouveau from the early boot, the first line makes a backup of the old one (mv = move), the second creates a new one based on the settings you changed.

actually getting it working again once you have nouveau filed where it belongs is straightforward (once you are confident enough with only a text based OS), "worst case" you can either force run level 3 by editing the text in the startup countdown timer - absolute worst case you can use the usb live spin to edit everything with a gui (but this is actually more trouble than its worth).

you can keep everything about your windows install "safe" simply by physically unplugging the disk with windows on it, I did this to switch to CentOS from Fedora (unplugged my Fedora disk) once my old hardware was old enough that everything was supported in CentOS. I'm back on Fedora because kernel support for the RTX cards and AMD5000 series CPUs is still a wip.

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by mSparks

@jarmstro @mSparks I think you two have demonstrated the very reason why so few use linux. Thank you both for showing us how ridiculously hard it is, Than you still loose addons after all that wasted effort.

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

I think you two have demonstrated the very reason why so few use linux.

Same reason so few people have desktop PCs, Pilots licences, use flight simulators, upgrade their PCs from windows 7 or work for themselves.

It requires patience, ability and time to learn, attention to detail, and generally more than one expensive device to fall back on while you are trying to figure things out.

That's more a reflection of society than flying/desktop PCs or Linux.

"Linux only" has hardly held Android or Raspberry Pis back.

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

Than you still loose addons

besides Ex-Enviro which while it does look good, isn't that much better than ECE to justify switching to windows, and ECE is free and a lot easier to install on Linux

such at what?

If I switched to windows I'd lose a lot more than just X-Plane addons made by people who don't understand computers enough to do anything other than follow MSDN tutorials.

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by mSparks

 

14 hours ago, mSparks said:

probably drivers, @Bjoern has them running on his 6900 I think, can probably point you in the best direction, but he still has other issues.

If "Oibaf drivers" means "Mesa" on Ubuntu, then yes, the original Enhanced Cloudscapes plugin works with those. I exclusively use them in OpenGL mode though.

 

1 hour ago, mjrhealth said:

@jarmstro @mSparks I think you two have demonstrated the very reason why so few use linux. Thank you both for showing us how ridiculously hard it is, Than you still loose addons after all that wasted effort.

No pain, no gain.

1 hour ago, Bjoern said:

 

 

 

No pain, no gain.

I dont see what I have to gain...

27 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

I dont see what I have to gain...

everything a few tens of millions of developers have to offer, generally for free (nearly all of them stopped using windows when they discovered it was no good for SaaS/iPhone/Android development)

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by mSparks

3 hours ago, mSparks said:

everything a few tens of millions of developers have to offer, generally for free (nearly all of them stopped using windows when they discovered it was no good for SaaS/iPhone/Android development)

I have mint on an old laptop just for fun but is only use it for internet and youtube, I use win10 on my PC cause its simple and all it is used for is internet and xplane, so why do i need Linux for xplane??? has no benefits and I loose addons, You can push it all you like but its for geeks not the average simmer who doesnt know what a GPU is. As I said, if I could have all my addons in linux I would use it, but I cant.

 

38 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

all it is used for is internet and xplane

We agree that's all windows is good for.

I just dont find it particularly good at even that, and like to use my PC for a lot more.

In fact this vid from mid 2019 pretty much summarises my entire experience with X-Plane on windows.

(windows box was roughly 5 years newer and probably $500 more expensive than my Linux box at that time)

in fact the last straw for me on that windows box is when i spent a week with a non functioning start menu

and it was replaced with a mac mini.

Edited February 28, 20215 yr by mSparks

6 hours ago, mSparks said:

besides Ex-Enviro which while it does look good, isn't that much better than ECE to justify switching to windows, and ECE is free and a lot easier to install on Linux

I was wondering...... All x-vision seems to do is modify a bunch of shaders and textures. It also installs an lua script. You run it before you start XP. You don't need it on whilst XP is running. Couldn't I just copy and paste the modified files from my XP install into Linux? ( I can answer my own question by trying it!😀)

Theres more than just X-Vision that for me swings the balance in favour of Windows no matter how high the performance gain is in Linux though. Traffic Global and Active Sky to name just two. (And dare I mention it? MSFS!😂)

PS Is there a way to make XP in Linux reference my entire XP Windows custom scenery folder? (About 2TB). ie the equivalent of shortcuts in Windows?

Edited February 28, 20215 yr by jarmstro

9 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

MSFS

Ive said all along, if msfs becomes good, I'd get the xbox series x version - maybe, mostly dependant on whether it requires a subscription and Asobo achieving what seems to be impossible.

10 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Couldn't I just copy and paste the modified files from my XP install into Linux?

dont know much about x-vision. maybe. Ive avoided products that Laminar have explicitly stated devs shouldnt ship, that sounds like a recipe for problems

https://developer.x-plane.com/2018/08/our-shaders-dont-like-to-be-touched/