12 hours ago, Phantoms said:

Isn't the Turbo III just marginally faster than the non-turbo and only really needed when doing higher altitude flying?

The turbo really isn't for extra speed, the turbo allows the plane to fly higher in the thinner air.

16 minutes ago, Treetops45 said:

Between JF & Carenado, 3 Pipers in the works, one of which is a duplicate.

How about something different, a C310?😀

T45

I am not sure too many people are willing to do a twin when twins are currently broken 😄

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

What would be good to see, would be some beefier derivatives of the PA28, such as the Cherokee Six for a bit more capacity, and the Turbo Saratoga and earlier Lance with the older wing and a bit more oomph, or maybe even that mad experimental tri-motor version they did.

 

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by Chock

47 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

I am not sure too many people are willing to do a twin when twins are currently broken 😄

By broken you mean?? [Other than the flaps on original aircraft]

As regards alternatives to the Arrows, my favorite in P3D is the Aztec. Its like wearing a pair of comfortable slippers.

T45

26 minutes ago, Treetops45 said:

By broken you mean??

The ongoing issues with any thrust not aligned with the centreline of the aircraft.  In particular asymmetric thrust is way out of whack.

The flaps thing is new, the twin issue has been around since the game came out. Hopefully it may get looked at in the next update.

Edited February 27, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

1 hour ago, Daytona125 said:

The turbo really isn't for extra speed, the turbo allows the plane to fly higher in the thinner air.

I just know when it comes to the Arrow III, many RL aviators say stay away from the Turbo version unless you absolutely need it. Nothing but headaches and expenses for no extra performance (as stated, just higher altitude abilities).

Of course in a sim, you don't have to pay for repairs/maintenance or have to deal with mechanical problems so there's that.

39 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I just know when it comes to the Arrow III, many RL aviators say stay away from the Turbo version unless you absolutely need it. Nothing but headaches and expenses for no extra performance (as stated, just higher altitude abilities).

Of course in a sim, you don't have to pay for repairs/maintenance or have to deal with mechanical problems so there's that.

That absolutely true. The turbo Arrow I flew got decimated by renters. There is no value in it unless owner use it solely. 

When I flew the JF Turbo Arrow T tail in P3D I found the elevator very sensitive cf other GA I was flying.

Cast it to the back of the hangar.

T45

 

 

41 minutes ago, Phantoms said:

I just know when it comes to the Arrow III, many RL aviators say stay away from the Turbo version unless you absolutely need it. Nothing but headaches and expenses for no extra performance (as stated, just higher altitude abilities).

Of course in a sim, you don't have to pay for repairs/maintenance or have to deal with mechanical problems so there's that.

That absolutely true. The turbo Arrow I flew got decimated by renters. There is no value in it unless owner use it solely. 

A lot of that detrimental stuff people say about the turbo PA28 (apart from the additional expense of maintaining a turbo engine, which is undeniably true for all turbo-equipped things) is down to a largely unfounded mistrust of the T-Tail config because people are not used to it, which usually for a PA28 (not always) means it's a turbo version (there are one or two PA28 models without a turbo which have a T-Tail, but not many).

As with many T-Tail aeroplanes, the horizontal stabiliser can go out of the airflow at certain angles, or suddenly into the airflow (such as on rotation), and that can mean aeroplanes with T-Tails do some unusual stuff on take off and on landing in comparison to those with an elevator and tail mounted more typically for a GA type. So a T-Tail can drop its nose a bit hard on landing as it goes out of the prop wash if you don't give it enough elevator to counter that, and on rotation the elevator can suddenly become more influential as it comes down into ground effect and prop wash more. But that's not bad, it's just different. If I recall correctly, the T-Tail horizontal stabiliser on the PA28 is a bit smaller than it is on the regular ones, which would kind of make sense.

We have one more day for a "hopefully next week" and our hope will be in ruins ! LOL

7 hours ago, Phantoms said:

I just know when it comes to the Arrow III, many RL aviators say stay away from the Turbo version unless you absolutely need it. Nothing but headaches and expenses for no extra performance (as stated, just higher altitude abilities).

Of course in a sim, you don't have to pay for repairs/maintenance or have to deal with mechanical problems so there's that.

This sort of applies to a lot of things.

The classic example is buying a 4WD version of an SUV to drive around the city and take to work.  Way more expense in fuel consumption and maintenance for no benefit.

The turbo is there for more altitude, if you do not fly in conditions or on long enough legs to need that extra altitude it is a waste of time.