11 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

I'm not. Please. I meant no offence or any kind of attack or anything. I'm just saying that every time someone posts you seem to have a video of your product ready to go, report on how you're getting on with your product, etc. It just looks like you're marketing. Which is fine - Go for it! but please, not on this thread.

The 2 Free fixes and your Payware each appear to get us to 10 Miles of trees one way or the other - whichever of the three you use.

But Ioxye started this thread about one particular Freeware Fix that stopped working as expected after the last Update, to try and fix it for free and make tree loveliness as far as the horizon good again - for free. 

 

 

I posted a proof that it goes from 12 to 20 miles. Someone asked me show a video in Vancouver and I did. 

I will not participate in this forum anymore. 

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by BijanStudio

 

4 minutes ago, BijanStudio said:

I posted a proof that it goes from 12 to 30 miles. Someone asked me show a video in Vancouver and I did. 

I will not participate in this forum anymore. 

Bijan, please, don't be like that. I'm not trying to be confrontational I just think the thread needs to stay on Topic which was about Freeware.

You can start your own Thread right now with the Title; "My Seasons Payware will get you trees out to 30 Miles"

The first post could be a link to that Vancouver video showing trees to 30 miles.

4 hours ago, Dillon said:

Hmm, this thing is turning into FLIGHT.  If Asobo doesn’t get this thing stable, stop screwing with it every month, and get some developers who actually have a perspective about flying/simming the only thing happening this year is people leaving this title in droves.  Asobo is now killing the main selling point of this sim, performance and visuals for GA (let alone Airline flying).  Every month modders are back at the drawing board, what kind of future is that?  This is sad but having contractors in the code cookie jar every month never works.  It doesn’t work on my job or anywhere I’ve seen this.  These hacks aren’t simmers.  Having a company constantly hacking on a product is akin to having Boeing in real time changing code while the plane is at 37,000ft with over 200 people are on board.  That’s not a comfortable prospect in the confidence of the product department.

Let the product breath for few months.  What we had prior to this patch worked.  They could have had free testers from this community (that Asobo actually listens to) test the code and Sim Update 3 could have been released in May.  We could have still had the UK update and France because those don’t break things.  

So whatever surprises you’re referring to is mute if the performance of the sim is word not allowed having people chase their tails like FSX and the sim looks like word not allowed on top of that. The sad part now is at least with FSX your tweaks weren’t broken in the next month.  I never thought it could get worse than FSX.  I refuse to change my core W10 virtual memory settings for a sim that ran perfectly fine a week ago but that’s what people are doing now.  The desperation is troubling and Asobo shouldn’t jerk with the community like this.  People love this hobby, have some respect for that.😡

That absolutely hits the nail on the head Dillon.

I don't always agree with what you say, as you know 😉 but that second paragraph - I really wish they would. Stop rolling out useless Updates that do stuff to Glass that WT did months ago. Stop rolling out "improvements" to airframes that have already been majorly superceded by the fantastic Community of modders and hobby Devs. And for pity sake BETA/ ALPHA the Updates. WE'LL WAIT!!!

A game (Sim) is not measured by how often and how big the Updates are. Quite the opposite in fact.

Nice one mate. You put in to words exactly what has been in my mind since the last (futile and shambolic) Update.

And you're quite right - we're heading for Flight here. 

I'm actually really worried that Asobo will not be able to handle this in the long run, and that we're heading for a new Flight.

7 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I'm actually really worried that Asobo will not be able to handle this in the long run, and that we're heading for a new Flight.

It's sad to say, but I agree. I would not have thought that just two weeks ago.

56 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

I'm actually really worried that Asobo will not be able to handle this in the long run, and that we're heading for a new Flight.

I don't want to frighten anyone but you can see how this could go;

Asobo have been tasked to deliver an enriching experience for the XBox. (Whether or not we - as PC users have seen degrading of the sim or not as a result - that's another discussion entirely, let's not do it here) 

Timeline

MSFS 2020 goes live for Xbox. 

Xboxers play it. Work out there's nothing to shoot at. Fail to spend any serious money in Marketplace - because really? the typical Xbox Gamer knows the difference between a C152 and a C172? (Spolier; It's Flaps - 😉 )

They Go back to their guns and ammo and never play MSFS 2020 again.

As a result, with revenue WAY below forecast MS pulls the plug on MSFS users accessing Azure Cloud Servers - they can't justify the numbers - and we're not that huge when you compare to the amount of Players on COD and other hugely successful Gaming platforms - which is MS's constant lust to achieve.

MS "compromise" by saying, as we paid money, we can hold the game but in Offline Mode (no Bing, no photogrammetry)

Which, as we know, looks like FSX with the Graphics sliders full Left. And then some more.

I'm genuinely frightened now that this is going to happen if something pretty radical doesn't change imminently in the offices in Bordeaux and Seattle.

Timeline Ends

ASOBO - I'm not Nostradamus and it doesn't take a genius to work it out but you have got to get your serious merde together; The PC Users (Us) are serious about this and we'll spend (Market Place, etc). Xbox Users will be here for 3 minutes before vanishing forever. Have your strategy for MS ready. Please.

When it goes live for Xbox you'll get a big hump in the User Curve but it'll vanish quickly - but what you'll be left with it us; avid, passionate virtual Aviators.

We love it and we'll fly the skies you provide. If you get a million Xboxers buying initially - then great, but that's all they'll do - you'll see them GamePlay for a few hours and then go elsewhere.

We're here to stay - we'll buy off the Market Place if the product is good. We'll do Server Time, we'll purchase, persue and advance this incredible platform that you've created all the way to perfection. We, the avid, are on this journey with you. Bon Chance et Salut! to us all.

But will you please tell MS that it has to come back to your terms to make it work.

The Updates, the Fails, they have to stop or (Gaming Studios and Virtual Aviators alike) we'll all be out of work.

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

I have a bit of a hard time understanding that Microsoft market analysts have not understand that it most likely only will be PC flight sim enthusiast left in about a year or two, Xbox gamers will probably jump to the next new hyped AAA titles after a couple of months, I wonder how they thought it would be financially viable, or do they do this out of pure charity? If so, thanks mr Gates.

Actually Ixoye - that's the bit that really frightens me - Old Bill Gates did Flight Simulator originally as a project for the USN but they failed to pick up the contract so he carried on as a vanity project - a bit like Elon and his space rockets. 

Bill ain't part of the decision making process at MS anymore - he's too busy doing good works - and good for him - he's using his money well.

MS have no sentimentality about Flight Simulator - it's a project that has to make big bucks - and I fear the Xboxers are going to trounce it when they don't purchase or play for more that the average attention span of a Goldfish.

We're in trouble here.

The bottom line here is that MS have - I have to say - misguidedly gone for the Xbox release.

If half  million Xboxers buy it then they make some good money on the initial purchase and then the revenue stream dries up for Xbox Users.

We, PC Users account for a fraction of that but we account for a great deal more in terms of "In-App Purchases" as it were. Market Place.

Somehow, we have to get that message across to the bean counters. They have a tendency only to think in terms of gross numbers and not revenue.

10 avid PC Flight Simulator Users will provide more income to MS than maybe 500 Xbox Users. So the numbers stack up.

Our job is to convince decision makers of that before they pull the plug on Azure Bing Imagery.

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

6 minutes ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Actually Ixoye - that's the bit that really frightens me - Old Bill Gates did Flight Simulator originally as a project for the USN but they failed to pick up the contract so he carried on as a vanity project - a bit like Elon and his space rockets. 

Bill ain't part of the decision making process at MS anymore - he's too busy doing good works - and good for him - he's using his money well.

MS have no sentimentality about Flight Simulator - it's a project that has to make big bucks - and I fear the Xboxers are going to trounce it when they don't purchase or play for more that the average attention span of a Goldfish.

We're in trouble here.

I share your worries about Xbox and the servers. 

But don't you think Flight Simulator will be part of Xbox Gamepass? I thought it was already. 

If it's not, I would think they would set up a requirement for it even for users who bought the whole sim before they shut the servers. Right?

Edit: You could also look at it the other way around. That MSFS 2020 is improving Bing Maps. I'm pretty sure Microsoft have thought about this project not only as a vanity project, but something that could improve Bing and also benefit from all the addons that are sold at the Marketplace. This sim is almost like a research lab for Microsoft.

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by Republic3D

2 hours ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

 

Bijan, please, don't be like that. I'm not trying to be confrontational I just think the thread needs to stay on Topic which was about Freeware.

You can start your own Thread right now with the Title; "My Seasons Payware will get you trees out to 30 Miles"

The first post could be a link to that Vancouver video showing trees to 30 miles.

You should have seen how his initial product thread on the MSFS forums ended..🤣

17 minutes ago, Republic3D said:

I share your worries about Xbox and the servers. 

But don't you think Flight Simulator will be part of Xbox Gamepass? I thought it was already. 

If it's not, I would think they would set up a requirement for it even for users who bought the whole sim before they shut the servers. Right?

Edit: You could also look at it the other way around. That MSFS 2020 is improving Bing Maps. I'm pretty sure Microsoft have thought about this project not only as a vanity project, but something that could improve Bing and also benefit from all the addons that are sold at the Marketplace. This sim is almost like a research lab for Microsoft.

Well, yes, I think you're quite right - in terms of it being an experimental platform. Absolutely I've maintained we're Guinea pigs in a beautiful Virtual World Lab.  And, indeed as you say - hopefully, MS will continue to fund us flapping about in the wide blue yonder, at height - whilst they study other things to do with the platform. . .

But I wanted to stick to the thread which is about fixes for the latest Updates and how that interacts with MS and ASOBO and us.

I'm thoroughly guilty of Thread Drift for which I apologise but certainly it's been most interesting to chat about it.

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

1 minute ago, Will Fly For Cheese said:

Well, yes, I think you're quite right - in terms of it being an experimental platform. Absolutely I've maintained we're Guinea pigs in a beautiful virtual World Lab.

But I wanted to stick to the thread which is about fixes for the latest Updates and how that interacts with MS and ASOBO and us.

I'm thoroughly guilty of Thread Drift for which I apologise.

I agree bud. I've been tempted to call it a God simulator, but it's too pretentious. A beautiful World Lab indeed. The potential in this software is amazing. Almost endless. 

Let's hope Microsoft sees that potential as well. For Asobo's part of it, I think they really are wanting to create the best product possible. If they succeed I think the rewards for them could be enormous. 

But I agree, let's stick to the topic. 

A quick flit around the Freeware Flightsim.to and the Blog Sim Fix show no updates so far but hopefully some midnight oil is going to be burned.

Thanks to both. Great fixes and I'm sure we'll get there.

Edited March 13, 20215 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

1 hour ago, Ixoye said:

I'm actually really worried that Asobo will not be able to handle this in the long run, and that we're heading for a new Flight.

MS Flight was a different situation. There was a very experienced team making the flight models, and the sim was hampered by corporate decisions to lock up the add-on market and restrict the flying world. No modern flight sim can survive that. 

What we have here with MSFS is almost the reverse situation: a quantum leap in scenery generation and a welcome for 3rd party developers, combined with a core simulation team that seems to be having trouble wrapping their heads around their own flight and systems modeling. It's reminiscent in some ways of the problems Dovetail ran into when they tried to build on the FSX license.

The quantum leap in scenery generation will at least keep interest in the sim alive for a while yet, while Asobo sorts out the issues. Or until MS hands it off to someone else, if it comes to that. I don't think MS is going to drop the ball this time. They've got the right idea, it just needs better execution.

 

 

so sorry that I am unable to read thru the 21 pages.

I desperately need trees to be reduced cause Sugar Loaf in Rio airport SBRJ has trees that are 30% the height of the peak itself, while in real life you dont notice the trees at all, just some green spots,

Is there a work-around or we must wait for an update from the tree file mod?

tks