1 hour ago, jfri said:

That leads me to the question how do they compare to the A2A Piper Cherokee for P3D with regard to realism and quality ?

I don't have the A2A Cherokee because the Comanche is the better aeroplane, and it's a different sim of course, so a direct comparison is tricky, but what I can tell you is that I have the A2A Comanche for P3D and I have all of the Just Flight Warriors for P3D, and as good as the JF PA28s are in that sim (and the Warrior is the best of the bunch there too), the A2A Comanche is in a league of its own; it is hands-down the best GA aeroplane for that sim by a country mile.

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by Chock

So are we seriously suggesting the original poster shelve MSFS and run off and buy a copy of P3D and the A2A Commanche ?

31 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

So are we seriously suggesting the original poster shelve MSFS and run off and buy a copy of P3D and the A2A Commanche ?

Nope, because MSFS is a better sim than P3D, as well as being cheaper, so most GA aeroplanes are a better overall experience in MSFS than they are in P3D/FSX. I'm just pointing out that the A2A Comanche itself is very subtly nuanced in P3D as are all A2A aeroplanes really, so it is better than the JF PA28s in P3D, but then again it's way more costly than those JF PA28s, particularly since they are also discounted in P3D/FSX as well if you buy more than one variant.

A more realistic comparison with the Comanche would be the Bonanza of course, since they were direct competitors, with the Comanche being about ten grand cheaper than the Bonanza when it was first built, as well as being a few miles per hour slower than the Bonanza, leading to it gaining a couple of nicknames, one being that the Comanche was the 'poor man's Bonanza' but it was also called the 'smart man's choice', when talking about the two, since it was a lot more bang for your bucks and only really a little slower to the point where it made little difference, and the Comanche is a much better looking aeroplane than the Bonanza as well, and this does matter to many pilots where 'ramp cool' is concerned. It in fact impacted on the design of the PA28 however, because of that, since the PA28 was a direct competitor of the Cessna 172, but despite the desire to make a '172 beater' Piper were loathe to make it much wider than the C172 lest that impact on sales of the Comanche, which does have a wider cabin than the PA28. they did do that with the Tomahawk though, which is wider than the 150/152 that it was intended to compete against.

What it will eventually mean however, is that when A2A get around to shoving some stuff in MSFS, then it's likely to be true again of that sim as well. It's no secret that I'm a fan of Just Flight, but A2A is hands-down the best developer there is for FSX and P3D and always has been, so it's hardly surprising to find they make the best GA aeroplane for those sims and I think that's pretty much a unanimous opinion for most flight simmers.

I did a comparison of the JF PA28s in P3D with the PA28s in MSFS and it was like night and day in terms of the difference in believability to the point where if you try it yourself, it will probably put you off firing up P3D at all unless you want to fly one of the many cool airliners there are for it. MSFS is just a vastly superior experience in terms of how the sim aeroplane rides the air as well as the visuals too of course, so there's no going back for GA aeroplanes, it's MSFS all the way.

Edited August 6, 20214 yr by Chock

14 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

So are we seriously suggesting the original poster shelve MSFS and run off and buy a copy of P3D and the A2A Commanche ?

I hope not - the A2A may be better (and I hope we can make a direct comparison at some point) but to me at least that does not mean that the JF Pipers are not really really good GA aircraft that are great to fly in MSFS (assuming MSFS is cooperating that day)

2 minutes ago, Matchstick said:

I hope not - the A2A may be better (and I hope we can make a direct comparison at some point) but to me at least that does not mean that the JF Pipers are not really really good GA aircraft that are great to fly in MSFS (assuming MSFS is cooperating that day)

I think if A2A makes a comparable aircraft for MSFS, like the Comanche, it will blow anything available in MSFS now, away.  

25 minutes ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

The Warrior is better behaved and with no gear or prop to mess with a better beginner aircraft and fun down low. A bit limited once you get to situations where the clouds have rocks though takes forever to climb over them.

My three go-to aircraft in my MSFS logbook at present are the Cessna C140, Piper Warrior II and The Turbo Arrow III.  Though I must admit the Husky is getting a bit of flying time this last few days.  

I do not fly the Standard Arrow much these days but I feel I got my moneys worth in the first month or two after it came out,  especially considering the bundle price meant it only cost me 30% of full price compared to just getting the Turbo Arrow as a standalone.

 

I think most real world pilots who have flown the Warrior, and had the money to upgrade, would much prefer to fly something like the Arrow, with it's retractable gear and constant speed prop. It is a nice step up in aircraft you can fly. 

10 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

My three go-to aircraft in my MSFS logbook at present are the Cessna C140…

 

Can I ask you where you got the Piper C140?

51 minutes ago, mick92627 said:

Can I ask you where you got the Piper C140?

Cessna not Piper

It has a few minor glitches with AP and stuff that they are working on post SU5 but I really like it.

Super slow, lots of character ( best description of it I have seen is " 50's diner with a tailwheel " ) and also it is the best behaved tail dragger I have tried so far in MSFS .

My one came from from Orbx:

https://orbxdirect.com/product/aeroplaneheaven-c140-msfs

 

 

Edited August 7, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

17 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

My three go-to aircraft in my MSFS logbook at present are the Cessna C140, Piper Warrior II and The Turbo Arrow III. 

 

These are my favorites too.

I was wonderng about getting the Warrior (in addition to my Turbo Arrow) when I came across this thread. I went for it, and don’t regret it at all. Nice plane to fly, and definitely more forgiving than the Arrow.

One thing I’ve noticed though is how much the Warrior seems to yaw from side to side on final approach. I find myself having to use the rudder much more than in the Cessna 172 with this plane anyway (likely much more realistically?) but it’s a lot more pronounced at low speed. Is this realistic behaviour, something I’m doing wrong, or perhaps related to my rudder pedals setup? (Or potentially all three? 😄)

On 8/6/2021 at 7:24 AM, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Discounts - 

• buy Arrow III get a 66% discount on Turbo Arrow and 25% discount on Warrior II
• buy Turbo Arrow and get 25% discount on Warrior II (does not stack with Arrow discount)

Are these discounts really still valid ? I went to Just Flight website and I see no mention about it. I think there was something when the Warrior was new. But see nothing about it now. Only discount would be to buy the to get the package Arrow plus Arrow turbo for 55 Euro.

I used the warrior discount yesterday. You need to follow the steps in the email to retrieve the code.

1 hour ago, Redge said:

One thing I’ve noticed though is how much the Warrior seems to yaw from side to side on final approach. I find myself having to use the rudder much more than in the Cessna 172 with this plane anyway (likely much more realistically?)

Seems about right. The nose will weathervane + react to power changes. Correct with using the rudder pedals . They are more efficient in correcting disruptions from intended flight path than the ailerons during approach.

Fly with your feet 🙂

EDIT: Just flew it again in MSFS. I think they yawing is too pronounced actually. The nose swings too much due to adverse yaw than any warrior I have flown.  But this is just my opinion

Edited August 7, 20214 yr by SAS443

10 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Cessna not Piper

It has a few minor glitches with AP and stuff that they are working on post SU5 but I really like it.

Super slow, lots of character ( best description of it I have seen is " 50's diner with a tailwheel " ) and also it is the best behaved tail dragger I have tried so far in MSFS .

My one came from from Orbx:

https://orbxdirect.com/product/aeroplaneheaven-c140-msfs

 

 

Do you have any control issues with the C-140 after the SU5? I have strange problems such as, when I brake, the cockpit view changes at the same time, and when I open the VFR map, the whole image starts flashing like an elliptical attack until the game crashes to desktop, it only happens with this aircraft.

21 minutes ago, Ixoye said:

Do you have any control issues with the C-140 after the SU5? I have strange problems such as, when I brake, the cockpit view changes at the same time, and when I open the VFR map, the whole image starts flashing like an elliptical attack until the game crashes to desktop, it only happens with this aircraft.

None of that for me.

Issues I am aware of (all quite minor) :

- uses fuel too fast and runs out at top of the red zone so you need to watch fuel 
- generic weird AP issues that almost ever addon plane has after SU5, annoying but not really a c140 issue
- the master switch has an odd interaction with Saitak and Honeycomb switches, (probably due to the real life C140 having one switch for both battery and generator whereas saitek/honeycomb split them and allow one off and one on )

 

Edited August 7, 20214 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick