1 minute ago, neil0311 said:

My specific point is that it’s not an anomaly. It’s by design. And not unique.

So folks can moan all they want, but it’s how applications and operating systems are professionally developed. There has to be a milestone where you cutoff bug fixes and features and fork to the next branch, and release.

They know mostly what bugs will be in the software weeks before release. That’s why “known issues” sections exist in the release notes. The trick is not to have showstoppers. When that happens, it’s usually not by design. 

Precisely.  This is how cloud delivered applications and management works.  Whether it's a flight sim or an Enterprise Networking Management system for 80,000 employees this is how the cloud works by design.  

Sure you could go back to an older version of FS its called P3D/FSX/FS9/02/00 etc. Your choice. MSFS does not work that way and I know it is hard for some people to understand that but did they ever read the EULA?

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by jbdbow1970

8 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Sure you could go back to an older version of FS its called P3D/FSX/FS9/02/00 etc. Your choice. MSFS does not work that way and I know it is hard for some people to understand that but did they ever read the EULA?

Is there anything in the EULA preventing customers from noticing that the product is bugged or there are frequent ctd's?

Just asking for a friend ...

A.

3 minutes ago, ADamiani said:

Is there anything in the EULA preventing customers from noticing that the product is bugged or there are frequent ctd's?

Just asking for a friend ...

A.

That is called release notes where they cover known issues/bugs and used in conjunction with a roadmap to outline where said issues/bugs/ctd's will be addressed.

You can let your friend know.... 

1 hour ago, psolk said:

That is called release notes where they cover known issues/bugs and used in conjunction with a roadmap to outline where said issues/bugs/ctd's will be addressed.

You can let your friend know.... 

Ok, my friend thanks you and is relieved. He thought there was something in the EULA disallowing you to say that you had a ctd or that you don't like the new clouds. You never know, it might be classified as hate speech 🙂

A.

btw: did you even read my post?

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by ADamiani

1 hour ago, neil0311 said:

My specific point is that it’s not an anomaly. It’s by design. And not unique.

So folks can moan all they want, but it’s how applications and operating systems are professionally developed. There has to be a milestone where you cutoff bug fixes and features and fork to the next branch, and release.

They know mostly what bugs will be in the software weeks before release. That’s why “known issues” sections exist in the release notes. The trick is not to have showstoppers. When that happens, it’s usually not by design. 

I agree (except when you say that people "moan", maybe a better wording might help, but English is not my first language, so I may be under a wrong impression).

I agree with the concept, and especially when you say that the trick is not to have showstoppers.

So we finally agree on one fact: pushing a mandatory update which resulted in ctd's for a good number of users (see official forum) was a blunder. That it is not by design is something I am ready to bet on: what's the point of developing a ctd simulator? Besides: I can write one in a few minutes, no need for so many developers 🙂 .

A.

 

2 hours ago, neil0311 said:

 

So folks can moan all they want, but it’s how applications and operating systems are professionally developed.  

A very corporatist weltanschauung if I may. What the user/customer thinks (or rather in your own delicate way of saying things "moans") we'll do it our way  🤣! This generally not ends well.  

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by Dominique_K

2 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

A very corporatist weltanschauung if I may. What the user/customer thinks (or rather in your own delicate way of saying things "moans") we'll do it this way  🤣! This generally not ends well.  

What is that phrase that most businesses teach their associates, , " The customer is always wrong???  😉

3 hours ago, ADamiani said:

Is there anything in the EULA preventing customers from noticing that the product is bugged or there are frequent ctd's?

Just asking for a friend ...

A.

Have you ever build a PC and never ran a stress test like Prime 95 to see if your P.C is up to snuff. There  is a lot of blame on MS for this product but I find for the most part it is not MS fault or Asobo the reality is the average don't know how to use software and maintain a stable P.C.  but they are quick and  soon blame the software developers( like Asobo for their shortcomings). "I am right and the developers don't know how to program software". I just laugh and make fun of the folks because the have no fuggin clue what they are talking and complaining  about. It is a complete mess on their end a blame others. Ok goodbye.

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by jbdbow1970

It makes sense. Keeping track of older versions is a total waste of energy and resources.

Edited August 17, 20214 yr by CarlosF
spelling

What's that I hear? Is it the sound of a key being turned? 😄

25 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

What is that phrase that most businesses teach their associates, , " The customer is always wrong???  😉

Sometimes the customer is wrong. Sometimes the customer is a jerk. Sometimes the customer is word not allowed and needs to be educated to better understand the transaction.

Doing business is a two way street. The vendor has responsibility and the consumer has responsibility. No one holds a gun to your head to buy anything.

22 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

Have you ever build a PC and never ran a stress test like Prime 95 to see if your P.C is up to snuff. There  is a lot of blame on MS for this product but I find for the most part it is not MS fault or Asobo the reality is the average don't know how to use software and maintain a stable P.C.  but they are quick and  soon blame the software developers( like Asobo for their shortcomings). "I am right and the developers don't know how to program software". I just laugh and make fun of the folks because the have no fuggin clue what they are talking and complaining  about. It is a complete mess on their end a blame others. Ok goodbye.

Yes, I have always built my PCs (and some of my friends') since 1990. I have always used Prime95 and other stress tests, benchmarks and numerical libraries (mainly Fortran) to make sure that everything was ok. I never had a fire caused by one of the PC's I built.

Who said that they do not know how to program software? Please quote the offending post.

You make fun of the folks because you don't know what respect is. You may be speaking with people who made a living with computers before you went to school. Never assume anything. 

Have a nice day.

A.

This topic is heading for a lockout unless the quality and civility of discussion improves fairly rapidly.

Looking at the opening post, it features the clear explanation from Asobo as to why there will not be parallel versions.
The subsequent suggestion in the same opening post, that parallel versions are the way forward, displays either an inability to understand the written text, or an inability to accept the answer.
The remainder of the topic is arguably of little value, they are not going to make a beta version option available to the whole customer base.