37 minutes ago, mSparks said:

sure, but the previous attempt failed after selling "only" 500k units, due to being "words linux and mac based developers use to describe windows"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(hardware_platform)

Steam machine had the exact problem I was addressing above. As a gamer, why get the Linux box when you can just get a windows PC? Also the few steam machines that really existed were quite weak IIRC.

5 minutes ago, rka said:

As a gamer, why get the Linux box when you can just get a windows PC?

Why get a PC for gaming when you can get a console with $10,000 of PC parts in it for $400

1 minute ago, mSparks said:

when you can get a console with $10,000 of PC parts in it for $400

Where would that be? I'm interested 😄

5 minutes ago, rka said:

Where would that be? I'm interested 😄

Pretty much every high end console since 2006

 

Edited November 29, 20214 yr by mSparks

As the title of this thread is "Linux", I want to come back to that. Believe it or not: my dad (over 80 years old, his fingers are all thumbs) always complained - amongst others - about the permanent and annoying popups of the antivirus program on his Windoze 😄 machine. I installed Linux, and he even didn't recognize the difference in operation, but complaining stopped. Is there a better proof that Linux can be handled even by less than average knowledgeable people?

I know, there are people out there, who can't believe that, because for that which must not, cannot be .

47 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Pretty much every high end console since 2006

 

What they're talking about is "sourcing 1700 pieces of something that is exactly like a PS3, but without buying a PS3". That does not make the PS3 worth 10.000 bucks. Interesting article though!

 

23 minutes ago, uwespeed said:

As the title of this thread is "Linux", I want to come back to that.

Steam OS is Linux as well 🙂

Edited November 29, 20214 yr by rka

30 minutes ago, rka said:

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

Pretty much every high end console since 2006

 

What they're talking about is "sourcing 1700 pieces of something that is exactly like a PS3, but without buying a PS3". That does not make the PS3 worth 10.000 bucks. Interesting article though!

Quote

The Condor Cluster project began four years ago, when PlayStation consoles cost about $400 each. At the same time, comparable technology would have cost about $10,000 per unit. 

Comparable technology then would have been a couple of these + all the extras

https://web.archive.org/web/20110305082425/http://ark.intel.com/Product.aspx?id=28029

Just like now you are "basically" getting a threadripper in the PS5 or Series X

https://www.pcgamesn.com/sony-ps5-release-date-pc-equivalent-build

Edited November 29, 20214 yr by mSparks

5 hours ago, uwespeed said:

As the title of this thread is "Linux", I want to come back to that. Believe it or not: my dad (over 80 years old, his fingers are all thumbs) always complained - amongst others - about the permanent and annoying popups of the antivirus program on his Windoze 😄 machine. I installed Linux, and he even didn't recognize the difference in operation, but complaining stopped. Is there a better proof that Linux can be handled even by less than average knowledgeable people?

I know, there are people out there, who can't believe that, because for that which must not, cannot be .

New versions of linysvus quiet easy to install anf use til you want to install stuff that has dependencies.

42 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

want to install stuff that has dependencies.

everything is easy when you know how.

in this case

ldd

and

dnf whatprovides.

Thats how I found the fix for CSGO

unless its windows, in which case you are stuck with

https://www.dependencywalker.com/

installing windows 7 to use it; thanks to Microsofts' attention to backwards compatibility (and the dev probably switching to Linux).

google for "what provides msvcr100.dll" 

Along with using a lot of words everyone uses when talking about pretty much anything made by Microsoft in the last 10 years.

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by mSparks

I cannot remember the last time I had an issue with windows, and yes now that i have installed a few amateur radio progs onto linux i know how but than i have being using linux since the old redhat days on and off. Any one can use linux if all they are doing is surfing the net. No matter how you push it, its simply not user friendly for the average gamers and mum and dad.

21 hours ago, rka said:

Btw I have a steam deck on preorder.

New FAQ

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

Noice:

For developers:

Will Steam Deck support VR?

Technically it's possible. We've seen people jury rig it, but we didn't design and optimize Steam Deck for VR

For consumers:

Will Steam Deck work with PC VR headsets?

While technically a PC VR headset can be connected, the Steam Deck is not optimized for PC VR experiences.

 

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by mSparks

21 minutes ago, mSparks said:

New FAQ

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

Noice:

For developers:

Will Steam Deck support VR?

Technically it's possible. We've seen people jury rig it, but we didn't design and optimize Steam Deck for VR

For consumers:

Will Steam Deck work with PC VR headsets?

While technically a PC VR headset can be connected, the Steam Deck is not optimized for PC VR experiences.

 

No you aren't getting a threadripper in the Xbox.

Read my statement again about what they are talking about.

And of course you can't expect VR on an APU. This is absolutely not a surprise.

The only person that thinks the steam deck is some piece of super hardware that is going to revolutionize all the PC gaming is... You 😉

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by rka

48 minutes ago, rka said:

No you aren't getting a threadripper in the Xbox.

"basically". One way or another getting 44 cores 52 threads you get in the PS5 into a PC is not going to be cheap or easy.

48 minutes ago, rka said:

The only person that thinks the steam deck is some piece of super hardware that is going to revolutionize

I think at the very least quite a few in Valve hope it does to.

The deck and steamos3 are exciting because they go straight for the jugular of the nintendo switch, Wii and PC gamer markets - devices that combined have 300million users atm - including the meager 110 million windows gamers.

Leaving only the most incompetant games developers taking "linux is only 1% market share" seriously, and literally no one will miss them.

Its also a massive punch in the goolies for any games developer that ignored linux up to now.

 

 

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by mSparks

1 hour ago, mSparks said:

Its also a massive punch in the goolies for any games developer that ignored linux up to now.

Why? The basic idea of proton is "ignore linux" as a developer and valve will see to make it run in an emulator.

39 minutes ago, rka said:

Why? The basic idea of proton is "ignore linux" as a developer and valve will see to make it run in an emulator.

because being steam deck verified and having linux native performance is going to be worth double digit millions of dollars worth of free advertising when the deck launches.

Stuff that works, stuff that works well and stuff that doesnt will be the main topic of conversation for most of next year, and probably a good few years after that.

And no one will blame Valve or the Deck when a game doesnt run or run well on it, when doom eternal can get 60fps, just like no one blames Sony that MSFS2020 is to poorly written to run on the PS5.

Edited November 30, 20214 yr by mSparks