I reckon the only reason Valve chose Linux is because it was free.

4 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

I reckon the only reason Valve chose Linux is because it was free.

yeah, having $150 lower production cost per unit to get e.g. 50% more fps in XP11 in heavy areas on the same hardware almost certainly played a part Mr obvious.

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33 minutes ago, mSparks said:

yeah, having $150 lower production cost per unit to get e.g. 50% more fps in XP11 in heavy areas on the same hardware almost certainly played a part Mr obvious.

What about the windows games ? 

 

I remember I once installed Ubuntu to test Linux and X Plane. It was not much of a problem to run X Plane, I guess it was XP10 during those days. But, daily tasks became difficult. Wanted to scan some old color slides and did not find drivers for my color slide scanner. It ended by using a virtual windows under Linux. To be honest, I’m happy to have Windows again. FPS using Ubuntu were better, but not significantly.

28 minutes ago, mSparks said:

yeah, having $150 lower production cost per unit to get e.g. 50% more fps in XP11 in heavy areas on the same hardware almost certainly played a part Mr obvious.

Haven't we shown recently that XP does NOT yield 50% more FPS than windows? I think so 😉

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because being steam deck verified and having linux native performance is going to be worth double digit millions of dollars worth of free advertising when the deck launches.

This is a niche product and it will literally do nothing for XP (desktop). How would it? If anything, it will cannibalize on XP mobile users if XP12 Steam Deck Edition (lol) supports waving the thing around as input. Noone in his right mind will run flightsim on a steam deck except shortly for giggles while on a plane.

6 minutes ago, rka said:

Haven't we shown recently that XP does NOT yield 50% more FPS than windows? I think so 😉

nope. we showed linux and windows both can both do 250fps in the cockpit so people should stop whining about xp11 performance.

Since then, 15fps is 50% of 30fps

On 11/26/2021 at 10:29 PM, Sethos said:

Been doing a lot of testing over the past few weeks, running X-Plane 11 under Windows 10 / 11 and under a Linux Mint installation. Under Linux, especially in intensive areas like KLAX with maximum object rendering, I'm seeing a solid 10-12 or even 15FPS higher FPS, which is a lot when it's sometimes dipping under 30 on Windows. I'm really curious to see whether I see similar results under X-Plane 12, then I'd seriously consider moving permanently to Mint as my daily driver.

 

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16 minutes ago, rka said:

Steam Deck Edition

Theres no "steam deck edition". The deck is a mid to high end AMD PC with integrated screen and controllers and linux plus steam installed on it from the factory.

The limitations are mainly on the power the form factor can dissipate.

So you can get 50% more fps for the same power, or the same fps for half the power.

AMDs new gen chips are just that good - and cheap to manufacture thanks to chiplets.

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I can say it's better in heavy areas , using XP11 in Linux is a much smoother experience.

Also getting to run XP in Ubuntu is a breeze  , there are many distros so one can take a pick but yes it's not for everyone , you need certain basics , though now all info is available with google baba.  just search and copy paste done.

LInux has come a long way  but it all depends how much one is willing to learn to use it. 

28 minutes ago, rka said:

Haven't we shown recently that XP does NOT yield 50% more FPS than windows? I think so 😉

I got about an 8% fps increase at best (which is in reality unnoticeable) with the penalty that a lot of essential Windows only addons won't run on Linux. Setting up the NVidia drivers was truly painful and I would guess that if you have an AMD graphics card it'll be a slide show.

2 minutes ago, Humpty said:

one is willing to learn to use it.

Gamers dont want that.

They certainly don't want to use regedit or powershell to make their graphics drivers work or use windows key + R to fix their windows key not doing anything when they press it.

No one looks forward to opening the windows store.

Valves' Store, OTOH, they locked up that market while MS was still finding out the hard way that windows 8 had a few bad design choices.

Because they understood that what gamers want, is to press the power button on whatever device was the best value when they bought it, press play on the game they feel like playing, and play it - even if the device isn't plugged in.

Everything else is niche, but excluding them is anti consumer.

The Steam Deck is the first device to realise all of that, and I have no doubt it will be a massive hit.

14 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Gamers dont want that.

They certainly don't want to use regedit or powershell to make their graphics drivers work or use windows key + R to fix their windows key not doing anything when they press it.

No one looks forward to opening the windows store.

Valves' Store, OTOH, they locked up that market while MS was still finding out the hard way that windows 8 had a few bad design choices.

Because they understood that what gamers want, is to press the power button on whatever device was the best value when they bought it, press play on the game they feel like playing, and play it - even if the device isn't plugged in.

Everything else is niche, but excluding them is anti consumer.

The Steam Deck is the first device to realise all of that, and I have no doubt it will be a massive hit.

No , I meant linux on the PC, as a flight simmer and sim racing at least I would not want to sim on a handheld , for me personally it will not be fun not using my flight stick and rudder pedals and the collective, maybe they do give you that option ?

But honestly speaking where the windows based sims are concerned Steam deck probably might not be interesting. 

27 minutes ago, Humpty said:

as a flight simmer and sim racing at least I would not want to sim on a handheld

How about both?

Since it has HDMI out as default, and has the new USB standard that supports eGPUs, so you can (should) be able to dock it it with a full power desktop RTX3090 and all your home cockpit stuff... Then pick it up and take (most of) it with you when you go on holiday.

5 minutes ago, mSparks said:

How about both?

Since it has HDMI out as default, and has the new USB standard that supports eGPUs, so you can (should) be able to dock it it with a full power desktop RTX3090 and all your home cockpit stuff... Then pick it up and take (most of) it with you when you go on holiday.

Sounds good , it does look sexy but I believe it would only run Linux based stuff ?

5 minutes ago, Humpty said:

it would only run Linux based stuff ?

Proton (part of SteamOS3) enables it to run windows "only" stuff - as well as windows stuff runs - mostly.

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8 minutes ago, mSparks said:

Proton (part of SteamOS3) enables it to run windows "only" stuff - as well as windows stuff runs - mostly.

Hmm , but it does have limitations ? I do not think it runs everything. 

I would want to use DCS / il2 / AC / Automobilista 2 / DR / Ride 4 , i really have my doubts these will run efficiently , but you can clear my doubts