1 minute ago, GSalden said:

That is true, but imho it looks overdone in MSFS .

Wheh flying at 37.000 ft over the Alps cause a 737 being tossed around like a Cessna every day of the year imho it is overdone.

Could it possibly be the aircraft.?

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Could it possibly be the aircraft.?

MSFS is calculating the sensitivity of the ac regarding weather/turbulence/reaction to the air from the shape/weight of it.

The SDK/Simconnect is far from enhanced to support studylevel ac so it might also be the combination of ac - MSFS…

Therefore I am still considering building a P3Dv5 server that drives the 2 MSFS view pc’s as clients using WidevieW.

I have al hardware to make it but then I need to startup 2x MSFS + 1x P3D. And P3D would have to show on the PFD or ND display (minimized afterwards so the PFD/ND would show). Pffff…

A friend of mine flies his home cockpit this way and it is working great ….

 

Edited December 26, 20214 yr by GSalden

1 hour ago, GSalden said:

MSFS is calculating the sensitivity of the ac regarding weather/turbulence/reaction to the air from the shape/weight of it.

The SDK/Simconnect is far from enhanced to support studylevel ac so it might also be the combination of ac - MSFS…

Therefore I am still considering building a P3Dv5 server that drives the 2 MSFS view pc’s as clients using WidevieW.

I have al hardware to make it but then I need to startup 2x MSFS + 1x P3D. And P3D would have to show on the PFD or ND display (minimized afterwards so the PFD/ND would show). Pffff…

A friend of mine flies his home cockpit this way and it is working great ….

 

Yep, MFS is mainly "The Looks"...

Perhaps the turbulence is realistic or perhaps it is overdone. In the end, with home built cockpits (simpits), eyes see the turbulence but the body does not feel it. At some point, one looses a sense of balance and it becomes very uncomfortable. A slider for turbulence intensity would be most welcome. Personally, having done a fair amount of simming in a simpit, I would lower the turbulence intensity a lot (zero most of the time).

12 minutes ago, RonR2 said:

Perhaps the turbulence is realistic or perhaps it is overdone. In the end, with home built cockpits (simpits), eyes see the turbulence but the body does not feel it. At some point, one looses a sense of balance and it becomes very uncomfortable. A slider for turbulence intensity would be most welcome. Personally, having done a fair amount of simming in a simpit, I would lower the turbulence intensity a lot (zero most of the time).

Unfortunately there is no way to lower the force of turbulence like you could do in P3D or Active  Sky…

The big problem with MFS is that they poored in a bunch of stuff, ideas they got from years of user posts at the forums, asking for this or that feature in a flight simulator, but it appears to me they don't have he slightest idea what some of the features really are / mean IRL.

Take their approach to modelling variable pressure gradients due to Temperature.... Or the height of the cloud bases when reported by METAR / TAF... as well as even some features on aircraft systems starting with such basic stuff as the "mechanics" of the steering wheel

Of course the idea of modelling wind flows perturbation due to mountains is a great one, but then they would have to learn and somehow implement other variables such as air mass stablity, ... Same applies to their modelling of up/down drafts inside and around convective clouds / systems.

It's up to an open, as much as possible, and viabe SDK to try to fix those problems, but in as far as weather goes, it looks like that's not going to happen 😕

I'm holding my expectations regarding the announced soaring inccursion... Looking fwd to see how and what they will implement, both weather and flight dynamics wise, because the first glider models I tried in MFS left a LOT to be desired...

Edited December 27, 20214 yr by jcomm

Btw, if Prosim, as suggested in the Fenix threads is calculating everything from externally, the turbulences can't come from the MSFS flight model. I guess, they are using an approach like this one, so every aircraft movement is entirely under Prosims control and the turbulences are not overdone by MSFS but by Prosim.

I think the OP should try the same flight with the CJ4, as suggested earlier. During my flights over the Alps (787, TBM, GA aircraft) I never encontered unrealistic turbulences.

8 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

Btw, if Prosim, as suggested in the Fenix threads is calculating everything from externally, the turbulences can't come from the MSFS flight model. I guess, they are using an approach like this one, so every aircraft movement is entirely under Prosims control and the turbulences are not overdone by MSFS but by Prosim.

I think the OP should try the same flight with the CJ4, as suggested earlier. During my flights over the Alps (787, TBM, GA aircraft) I never encontered unrealistic turbulences.

Regarding Prosim I do not think that. 

What I do know is that others with MSFS ac also report severe turbulence over mountainous terrain and find it normal. 

Here flying over the Alp going from Amsterdam to Bodrum. This time at 39.000 ft instead of 35.000 ft, but the result is the same :

 

Hopefully SU7 will have it fixed….

Edited December 29, 20214 yr by GSalden

On 12/26/2021 at 7:00 PM, jcomm said:

Yep, MFS is mainly "The Looks"...

Hogwash.

5 hours ago, GSalden said:

Regarding Prosim I do not think that. 

What I do know is that others with MSFS ac also report severe turbulence over mountainous terrain and find it normal. 

I have flown in real life over the mountains near Anchorage, and flew in the same area yesterday in the Kodiak. Turbulence was about the same. Nothing unusual. 

Edited December 29, 20214 yr by Bobsk8

On 12/26/2021 at 4:00 PM, jcomm said:

Yep, MFS is mainly "The Looks"...

You are on rake over and over again. LOL 

57 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I have flown in real life over the mountains near Anchorage, and flew in the same area yesterday in the Kodiak. Turbulence was about the same. Nothing unusual. 

I'm also predominantly fly in mountainous area . There are lot of stories of severe turbulence crossing Rockies

 

 

 

Here is about how turbulence "doesn't effect big jets as small Cessna"

 

 

Edited December 29, 20214 yr by sd_flyer

2 hours ago, GSalden said:

the result is the same

and so are the winds aloft 87knots! How do you expect a flight to be stable over mountainous terrain with such winds at any level, read some aerology books Gerard, you will see what is happening.