I've been as much an environmentalist as anyone up to now.  But the next thing you know they are going to want us to collect farts in ziplock bags.

 

I have a gas stove and heat the house with gas and I'm not about to change in the few years I have left.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/27/1075874473/gas-stoves-climate-change-leak-methane?ft=nprml&f=

 

I'm tossing my environmentalist hat into the land fill.  The planet didn't exist before I got here and will cease to exist when I'm gone.

 

Noel

I'll have something for them to whiff about when a load of cow manure arrives at the house next month.Electric, and wood for  heating where i live.

I heard about that this morning.

Some people (at least one) is jarring them up and making money off selling them (flatulence).

Not for me, but there must be a demand. 

Its still best to be a good steward of the land. So much of this stuff and studies is about nothing.

18 minutes ago, birdguy said:

I've been as much an environmentalist as anyone up to now.  But the next thing you know they are going to want us to collect farts in ziplock bags.

 

I have a gas stove and heat the house with gas and I'm not about to change in the few years I have left.

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/27/1075874473/gas-stoves-climate-change-leak-methane?ft=nprml&f=

 

I'm tossing my environmentalist hat into the land fill.  The planet didn't exist before I got here and will cease to exist when I'm gone.

I think the rational recommendation here (at the end of the article) is to simply check your fittings for leakage, not to stop using natural gas altogether.

"Simply owning a natural gas stove, and having natural gas pipes and fittings in your home, leads to more emissions over 24 hours than the amount emitted while the burners are on," says Stanford Professor of Earth Sciences Rob Jackson, one of the study's authors.

Aside from the environment, there's already a financial incentive since you're paying for the amount wasted.

 

Err... what's the issue? If they leak methane which has 80 times the warming power of CO2, then shouldn't we know about it and mitigate the issue if we can?

Its no good being "an environmentalist" and accepting we are warming the planet, and agreeing we should mitigate climate change, and then throwing our dummies out of the pram when it means its inconvenient for us when we have to do something about it.

36 minutes ago, enright said:

Aside from the environment, there's already a financial incentive since you're paying for the amount wasted.

I heat my house with gas.  I cook with gas.  I heat our hot water with gas.  I'm on budget billing so I pay the same amount each month...$75.00 for gas.

Now I'm supposed to put out over $3,000 for all electric appliances plus call in an electrician to put 220 volt outlets where my stove, water heater, and electric furnace will be?  Not to mention how much the electricity will cost.

No way.  I'm sticking to what I already have.

Noel

1 hour ago, birdguy said:

But the next thing you know they are going to want us to collect farts in ziplock bags.

 

Your mean you aren't collecting your farts? That's disgraceful. 

I almost took a cat point off you. 😁

6 minutes ago, birdguy said:

Now I'm supposed to put out over $3,000 for all electric appliances plus call in an electrician to put 220 volt outlets where my stove, water heater, and electric furnace will be?  Not to mention how much the electricity will cost.

 

I don't think anyone is telling you that you MUST do that if its not in your budget. Nobody is trying to bankrupt you. Its not compulsory. And if one day in the near future the authorities decide its a big deal and we all need to mitigate the issue, then there will be all manner of schemes to help people. 

I think you might be overreacting Noel. 😉

If methane is leaking out of cookers we cant just ignore it, we at least need to be aware of it. 

 

Edited January 27, 20224 yr by martin-w

7 minutes ago, birdguy said:

220 volt outlets where my stove, water heater, and electric furnace will be?

 

220 volts. You greedy boy Noel. That's a lot of volts. 😁 What's wrong with 240?

2 minutes ago, martin-w said:

f methane is leaking out of cookers we cant just ignore it, we at least need to be aware of it. 

The lifetime in the air of CO2, the most significant man-made greenhouse gas, is probably the most difficult to determine, because there are several processes that remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere. Between 65% and 80% of CO2 released into the air dissolves into the ocean over a period of 20–200 years. The rest is removed by slower processes that take up to several hundreds of thousands of years, including chemical weathering and rock formation. This means that once in the atmosphere, carbon dioxide can continue to affect climate for thousands of years.

 

Methane, by contrast, is mostly removed from the atmosphere by chemical reaction, persisting for about 12 years. Thus although methane is a potent greenhouse gas, its effect is relatively short-lived.

Noel

1 minute ago, birdguy said:

Methane, by contrast, is mostly removed from the atmosphere by chemical reaction, persisting for about 12 years. Thus although methane is a potent greenhouse gas, its effect is relatively short-lived.

😁  Thanks professor.

 

Its official people, don't worry about methane, Noel said so. He decided this because he doesn't want to get rid of his gas cooker. 😉

Edited January 27, 20224 yr by martin-w

1 minute ago, martin-w said:

220 volts. You greedy boy Noel. That's a lot of volts. 😁 What's wrong with 240?

220, 240 what's the difference.  I'm not changing over.

Noel

What you might be missing regarding methane Noel is "the water vapour positive feedback loop". That methane causes greater evaporation and locked up CO2 is released. 

I'm just assuming, Id have to do some research. 

I'll be coming round to your place later to rip out that stinky gas cooker. 🤣

Edited January 27, 20224 yr by martin-w

1 minute ago, martin-w said:

😁  Thanks professor.

The professor is cooking with gas until he takes his last breath.  The methane I release today isn't going to outlive me by much, if at all.

Noel