58 minutes ago, F737NG said:

I really don't think that a casual user is going to pay $40-$60 for a middle-of-the-road A320. 

For my needs I would rather pay $40 to $60  than $100+ for a so called "Study Level".  I dont put on a white shirt, Hat and with Clapboards and dress wife up like a flight attendant.,

57 minutes ago, F737NG said:

 Good luck to Aerosoft if that's their aim, I really don't think that a casual user is going to pay $40-$60 for a middle-of-the-road A320. 

The CRJ, DC-6 and Bredok 737 did so well sales-wise because there was huge latent demand for a payware airliner and no alternatives for the more interested/dedicated flight simmer. Once the PMDG 737 releases for MSFS (an add-on that will be available on Xbox), that scenario no longer exists, and the market will split predominantly into freeware users or high quality payware buyers. The large numbers of FSLabs and PMDG purchasers, and Zibo 737 mod users would appear to suggest that this is likely.

 People seem to forget that the MSFS default A320 is also a competitor in the casual flight simmer market, as it's 'free'!
All a developer like Bredok needs to do is develop a low price alternative A320 and suddenly the market Aerosoft is apparently targetting is gone.

In the flight sim market, the paradigm is either go dirt cheap, go for quality, or go home.

While I second your analysis and also believe the market will split into high-quality-buyers and freeware/15-dollar-buyers, this is only true for the PC side. On XBOX there will be hardly any freeware and no 80-dollar-payware-buyers, so an Aerosoft's 40 dollar A320 will have a market (to share with the 737, though, but most people like to have both). Especially considering that they will most likely invest as little effort as possible into the transfer from the P3D A320 to the MSFS version, that is surely going to become quite profitable. Now if there was already some A320-10-dollars-Bredok-stuff for the XBOX the situation might change, but this is not the case yet.

17 hours ago, Alcides Segovia said:

This is the reason P3D is now dry of new life. Developers seem to think I only want to fly Airbus A320 family again and again. 
 

P3D is dry of new life because it's a stale outdated FSX coded platform mismanaged by Lockheed Martin with their rip off licensing fees and we have a new shiny cutting edge technical evolution of a flight sim to enjoy called MSFS.

Edited February 16, 20224 yr by blueshark747

5 hours ago, Adrian123 said:

For my needs I would rather pay $40 to $60  than $100+ for a so called "Study Level".  I dont put on a white shirt, Hat and with Clapboards and dress wife up like a flight attendant.,

May as well stay with FBW then because AS busses will not be any better.

44 minutes ago, jbdbow1970 said:

May as well stay with FBW then because AS busses will not be any better.

No, AS has full VNAV capability! All I care about.

51 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

No, AS has full VNAV capability! All I care about.

By the time the AS A320 or even the A330 is released, I am willing to bet that the FBW version will get VNAV, along a lot of cool other things

Edited February 16, 20224 yr by bendead

40 minutes ago, bendead said:

By the time the AS A320 or even the A330 is released, I am willing to bet that the FBW version will get VNAV, along a lot of cool other things

Been hearing that for over a year.

4 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

Been hearing that for over a year.

Right now they are finishing LNAV, but the work has already started on the VNAV, you can check some of it using the experimental version.

But to speed up this project i guess two thing need to happen within this first semester, WT flight planner and Asobo opening access to weather data.

We will all see later this year, which one is more complete, a freeware or a 40$ payware with the reputation of being problematic at launch and needs a lot of spaced updates

Am I missing something or is this AS/FBW discussion somewhat moot? The FBW version will not run on the XBOX console, nor will FENIX, so unless that's wrong, it sort of looks like AS has pretty much a clear path ahead for a potential A320. I may be misunderstanding the facts here, but that wouldn't be anything new.

44 minutes ago, Adrian123 said:

Been hearing that for over a year.

Ane when do you expect to see a AS A320 in MSFS on xbox even if they do one? 2024-2025 maybe we will not see the a330 befor 2023.

Edited February 16, 20224 yr by jbdbow1970

14 minutes ago, jrw4 said:

The FBW version will not run on the XBOX console, nor will FENIX, so unless that's wrong, it sort of looks like AS has pretty much a clear path ahead for a potential A320.

I agree with you the AS320 looks like it will sell very well on Xbox, but there are other things to consider:

- There is already a A320 included with the sim, not as complex, but it's still there

- What will the Xbox user think of the PMDG737, will it become the new standard meter there, so buyer will become more critical and expect something closer to this quality for 30-40$

- AS has a history of problematic launches and bug fixing can take quite a long time

- Bredok and other could exploit that by releasing the all A320 familly for cheaper

Time will tell

  

35 minutes ago, bendead said:

But to speed up this project i guess two thing need to happen within this first semester, WT flight planner and Asobo opening access to weather data.

Just to be clear, we are not waiting on the flight planner integration or the weather API. In fact, we are moving away from the WT flight planner with the next cFMS update, and instead will be using a custom solution that mimics the internal workings of the IRL flight plan system in the FMS. VNAV is much more bottlenecked by the amount of work to do than any external dependencies.

 

40 minutes ago, bendead said:

Asobo opening access to weather data.

This isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future of even ever. 

6 minutes ago, holland786 said:

weather API

But you will need it for you VNAV calculation, right? That's what Iceman posted on the wishlist section of the official forum :

Winds aloft data such as this is critical for creating a proper VNAV (vertical navigation system) which relies on having this data for proper descent profile predictions as well as cruise/fuel burn predictions

9 minutes ago, holland786 said:

instead will be using a custom solution that mimics the internal workings of the IRL flight plan system in the FMS.

Will we still be able to use MSFS flight planner?

Just now, bendead said:

Will we still be able to use MSFS flight planner?

I'm not entirely sure, I was planning on making an interface to/from it but maybe not in the first versions that will be showcased on exp in the future. Maybe at a later stage when it's closer to being done.

 

The issue with the MSFS flight planner is that it relies on giving us a numerical index of a procedure instead of its name, meaning we have to jump through a bunch of hoops to correlate that with our new navdata system.