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In MSFS You're Not A Person, You're A Camera

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4 minutes ago, MarcG said:

It's a shame there's so many short-sighted people here, as before the possibilities of this title are endless so why block them? Embrace what it could become, not limit it to "just" a Flight Simulator. I mean if you look at Flightsim.to you'll soon see this is much more than just about flying fancy airplanes already, open your minds!

There is always the Sims, where you can drive cars to an airport and walk around in a terminal….

In GTA you can do this and also fly a plane…

- - - 

What surprises me is that there are a few people like you that have an opinion about other people and post that as the only truth. 

Quote : “It's a shame there's so many short-sighted people here ..”

Nowhere you write that it is your opinion. You write it as it has been confirmed.

 

 

Edited by GSalden

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FOV : 200 degrees

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5 minutes ago, GSalden said:

There is always the Sims, where you can drive cars to an airport and walk around in a terminal….

In GTA you can do this and also fly a plane…

- - - 

What surprises me is that there are a few people like you that have an opinion about other people and post that as the only truth. 

Quote : “It's a shame there's so many short-sighted people here ..”

Nowhere you write that it is your opinion. You write it as it has been confirmed.

 

 

Would it be a problem for you if you could drive to the airport before flying? It certainly wouldn't for me, even though I probably would use that feature once max.

You are the one taking a clear stance here that can only be interpreted as "they shouldn't even think about it" and comparing to games like the Sims or GTA can IMHO just be read as implying the modern classic "it's a flight game".

Open your mind, really.

Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉

10 hours ago, JYW said:

Things I'd rather see Asobo working on, rather than a nice P3D-style fella with a freshly-pressed white shirt and "footsteps" sound effects:-

  • Everything else

So…you’re saying it’s not particularly high on your list? 🙂

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

9 hours ago, RichUK said:

I keep a little can of Avgas next to me while flying. 'As real as it gets'!

 

I wouldn't recommend this.

You should be fine as long as it is “little”. Using a big jerry can of Avgas would be foolish, of course.

Also, remember to put the lid back on the container if you are planning to smoke whilst flight simming.

Safety first!. 

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

9 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

I'm for it, because it seems there are people here that would like the feature. I don't care too much about it and thats fine, I don't have to use it if it's implemented. 

It’s surprising how rare this attitude is around here, so have an upvote Bdub. 🙂

 

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

10 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

You should be fine as long as it is “little”. Using a big jerry can of Avgas would be foolish, of course.

Also, remember to put the lid back on the container if you are planning to smoke whilst flight simming.

Safety first!. 

If realism is the target, should anyone be allowed to smoke whilst flying?

Christopher Low

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19 minutes ago, rka said:

Would it be a problem for you if you could drive to the airport before flying? It certainly wouldn't for me, even though I probably would use that feature once max.

You are the one taking a clear stance here that can only be interpreted as "they shouldn't even think about it" and comparing to games like the Sims or GTA can IMHO just be read as implying the modern classic "it's a flight game".

Open your mind, really.

Wake up. It’s a Flightsim not the Sims…

Let Asobo improve Weather, AI , ATC , performance. This is about flying.

Edited by GSalden

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FOV : 200 degrees

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7 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Wake up. It’s a Flightsim not Sims…

I would have zero issues with them enriching the flight sim experience around the pure flying. Will I use those features? Probably not. Are there people that will use those features? Definitely. Will those people buy the sim and add-ons too? Definitely for the sim, most likely for the add-ons.

Will that be good as well for you? Yes it will.

Why are you so against it? No idea.

Edited by rka

Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉

23 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

If realism is the target, should anyone be allowed to smoke whilst flying?

The old Beechcraft Barons I sometimes fly to work on still have a placard on the glareshield which says “no smoking during takeoff or landing”. I’ve always wanted to pull out a cigar once we reach cruise and light it up, as apparently that would be within the rules. 🙂

Apart from that, if you’re simulating historical aviation I can’t see why you shouldn’t be able to light up a ciggie whenever you want during flight, well as long as the “no smoking” sign is turned off. 

Drinking is less realistic, probably can’t do that.

When simming, remember lads: “8 hours from bottle to throttle…and 8 minutes from throttle to bottle.”

Safety first!

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

45 minutes ago, rka said:

I would have zero issues with them enriching the flight sim experience around the pure flying. Will I use those features? Probably not. Are there people that will use those features? Definitely. Will those people buy the sim and add-ons too? Definitely for the sim, most likely for the add-ons.

Will that be good as well for you? Yes it will.

Why are you so against it? No idea.

Reread the last sentence of my post …

5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 -  MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb -  Corsair 5400  case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set  - 3x 75’ TCL tv.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 

FOV : 200 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

53 minutes ago, GSalden said:

Wake up. It’s a Flightsim not the Sims…

Let Asobo improve Weather, AI , ATC , performance. This is about flying.

Well, it’s about aviation simulation, rather than just flying. We sit at the gate and run preflight procedures. This is a feature that can easily be used as an extension of that.

Being on foot is great for doing a VR walkaround. It also allows you to appreciate the airside and/or landslide of some of the great addon airports we now have available. 

Oz

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Sim Rig: MSI RTX3090 Suprim, an old, partly-melted Intel 9900K @ 5GHz+, Honeycomb Alpha, Thrustmaster TPR Rudder, Warthog HOTAS, Reverb G2, Prosim 737 cockpit. 

Currently flying: MSFS: PMDG 737-700, Fenix A320, Leonardo MD-82, MIlviz C310, Flysimware C414AW, DC Concorde, Carenado C337. Prepar3d v5: PMDG 737/747/777.

"There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately, no one knows what they are."

1 minute ago, GSalden said:

Reread the last sentence of my post …

You mean first time read the edit of your post?

Ok. Done.

I have to say that your expectations seem a bit funny to me because everything you expect out of the base sim here is stuff you must have paid huge amounts of money for P3D add-ons and for that money got an implementation that is at best mediocre.

I even had to laugh when you mentioned you want them to improve performance. MSFS is hands down the best performing sim available. But you can always go back to P3D if that's more to your liking.

Laminar Research customer -- Asobo/MS customer -- not an X-Aviation customer - or am I? 😉

1 hour ago, rka said:

I would have zero issues with them enriching the flight sim experience around the pure flying.

Will I use those features? Probably not.

Are there people that will use those features? Definitely.

Will those people buy the sim and add-ons too? Definitely for the sim, most likely for the add-ons.

Will that be good as well for you? Yes it will.

Why are you so against it? No idea.

Do you like rhetorical questions? Absolutely! 😁

Kael Oswald

9950X3D/ 64GB DDR5 6200 @ CL30 / Custom Water Loop / RTX 5090 / 3 x 48" LG C4 OLEDs

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1 hour ago, GSalden said:

There is always the Sims, where you can drive cars to an airport and walk around in a terminal….

In GTA you can do this and also fly a plane…

You always come with these extreme outlier examples that have absolutely 0 to do with my suggestion of adding an avatar that simulates a person's movement --> nowhere did I suggest turning MSFS - which is clearly and unequivocally not just marketed as a flight simulator - into GTA 5 - the plane edition. 

Is this something I am going to escalate to management if Asobo doesn't immediately implement this and, in addition, sends me a 6 figure cheque for this brilliant idea? No. 

I mean, reading some of the comments you would I think I suggested that the next Pope be a Protestant. 

Just now, Ricardo41 said:

You always come with these extreme outlier examples that have absolutely 0 to do with my suggestion of adding an avatar that simulates a person's movement --> nowhere did I suggest turning MSFS - which is clearly and unequivocally not just marketed as a flight simulator - into GTA 5 - the plane edition. 

Is this something I am going to escalate to management if Asobo doesn't immediately implement this and, in addition, sends me a 6 figure cheque for this brilliant idea? No. 

I mean, reading some of the comments you would I think I suggested that the next Pope be a Protestant. 

Just makes me wonder if the Pope is modeled. Anybody seen him on the balcony at the Vatican? Pope-Simulator!

Kael Oswald

9950X3D/ 64GB DDR5 6200 @ CL30 / Custom Water Loop / RTX 5090 / 3 x 48" LG C4 OLEDs

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