I was considering one of these.. i've tried the pms and it works with any aircraft via the native pop up built into msfs by clicking on it in the nav bar at the top.

What i'm confused on is if the TDS is the same, will it have native pop out/up ability (not a windows window like i've seen but the built in type that will work to move it around in the Aero in VR)?  Does the TDS work in all aircraft at this point?  The PMS one works in all aircraft, at least as a pop up nav bar window from what i can see in a few quick tests?

Anyone know off hand on some of this?

Thanks in advance

4 hours ago, theskyisthelimit said:

What i'm confused on is if the TDS is the same, will it have native pop out/up ability (not a windows window like i've seen but the built in type that will work to move it around in the Aero in VR)?  Does the TDS work in all aircraft at this point?

The TDS unit is meant to be used "in panel", not as a separate pop up.

So, for this to make sense, the aircraft needs to have a GTN option.

I have it running in my RV14A, C414, C310, M20 Mooney, Seminole, C337, and PC12.

Edited September 2, 20223 yr by Bert Pieke

27 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

The TDS unit is meant to be used "in panel", not as a separate pop up.

So, for this to make sense, the aircraft needs to have a GTN option.

I have it running in my RV14A, C414, C310, M20 Mooney, Seminole, C337, and PC12.

Ah ok  I'm sure it has advantages over the pms but the pms pop out is better for vr when clarity is an issue I think 

7 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Ah ok  I'm sure it has advantages over the pms but the pms pop out is better for vr when clarity is an issue I think 

The TDS can be run straight in the trainer, in its own window though.

It's actually really fast on my machine, when run that way.

7 minutes ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Ah ok  I'm sure it has advantages over the pms but the pms pop out is better for vr when clarity is an issue I think 

I do not have VR, so cannot comment... but in the panel, the TDS unit has a higher resolution GTN screen.

I decided to give both a full shot, TDS and the PMS..

I guess the TDS doesnt support weather/radar overlay on the map?

With the PMS one you can overlay the weather using the api code from the one website and it works.

With the TDS it appears you get full chart ability without navigraph, though with PMS you can get the charts working but only with a navigraph subscription.

 

 

"TDS it appears you get full chart ability" only in USA

4 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

"TDS it appears you get full chart ability" only in USA

I believe it's north America technically.  There are charts in Canada and other NA countries.

At any rate there are a lot of differences between the two units.  Both websites have a host of info.  For some people, having navigraph is of utmost importance - in that case only PMS is the option.  For me I prefer realism, so TDS is my only option.  Charts and navdata aren't as important because generally they don't change too often.

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

I believe it's north America technically.  There are charts in Canada and other NA countries.

At any rate there are a lot of differences between the two units.  Both websites have a host of info.  For some people, having navigraph is of utmost importance - in that case only PMS is the option.  For me I prefer realism, so TDS is my only option.  Charts and navdata aren't as important because generally they don't change too often.

Can you elaborate on the realism side  this is really my first dive into the charts and gps side of thing so I'm curious the difference 

1 hour ago, theskyisthelimit said:

Can you elaborate on the realism side  this is really my first dive into the charts and gps side of thing so I'm curious the difference 

Hmmm.  So PMS can use navigraph charts (if you have the subscription that is) - so basically you'll have access to any charts and you can place those on the face of your GTN.  TDS does not use navigraph, but uses the actual Garmin/Jeppessen database/charts - this is because the TDS utilizies the actual Garmin GTN Xi trainer that is in the real plane.  Typically the Garmin trainer only gets a database update every 6 months - 1 year.  So when that happens you get updated TDS data.  Conversely, as long as you own a navigraph subscription, you can update your PMS charts every 28 days or whatever the airac update frequency is.

Some people see fit to run the most current navdata and charts so they use PMS and navigraph.  There are some oddities I don't like with PMS (display of the map is one of them), and therefore I use TDS because its using the actual software the real units use.

So for PMS it's like 75 EUR for lifetime product plus 8 EUR/month for charts subscription.

For tds it's about 50 EUR forever.  But you may not always have the most up to date charts.  (And you won't have any outside of north America).  I work in aviation and honestly having the most updated charts isn't a factor at least here in the USA.  In fact I don't even display my charts on the gtn.  I use a second monitor or tablet.  Since you're on VR you may want to consider that.  And if you do all of you're flying in Europe or outside of North America you may want to get a navigraph sub and buy the lifetime PMS purchase.

Hope that helps.

Edited September 3, 20223 yr by ryanbatc

On 9/3/2022 at 2:38 PM, ryanbatc said:

Hmmm.  So PMS can use navigraph charts (if you have the subscription that is) - so basically you'll have access to any charts and you can place those on the face of your GTN.  TDS does not use navigraph, but uses the actual Garmin/Jeppessen database/charts - this is because the TDS utilizies the actual Garmin GTN Xi trainer that is in the real plane.  Typically the Garmin trainer only gets a database update every 6 months - 1 year.  So when that happens you get updated TDS data.  Conversely, as long as you own a navigraph subscription, you can update your PMS charts every 28 days or whatever the airac update frequency is.

Some people see fit to run the most current navdata and charts so they use PMS and navigraph.  There are some oddities I don't like with PMS (display of the map is one of them), and therefore I use TDS because its using the actual software the real units use.

So for PMS it's like 75 EUR for lifetime product plus 8 EUR/month for charts subscription.

For tds it's about 50 EUR forever.  But you may not always have the most up to date charts.  (And you won't have any outside of north America).  I work in aviation and honestly having the most updated charts isn't a factor at least here in the USA.  In fact I don't even display my charts on the gtn.  I use a second monitor or tablet.  Since you're on VR you may want to consider that.  And if you do all of you're flying in Europe or outside of North America you may want to get a navigraph sub and buy the lifetime PMS purchase.

Hope that helps.

That was very helpful thank you.

Yeah i guess pros and cons with each.

I do have some other chart tools on hand, like sky4sim, fskneeboard and sim efb.  Since its my first go round with charts and charts in VR, i dunno which makes the most sense given all the choices.  I'd primarily probably do usa charts, but there are a lot of nice areas to do elsewhere.  I dont like any of the manual labor in making charts on the fly with those other tools though.  I am also trying out the ultimate navigraph license for a month and if i could get enough sim time per year, i'd do the yearly i think, everything is right there, no legwork needed, i could just do manual pdf files for manuals on planes and add to one of the other tools. 

I also like the usa charts in the TDS too, but not sure compared to real life, how often people use the GPS for those vs having them on another device or tablet, i'd bet another device anyway.

 

I have the TDS GTNXi and fly all over the world. I take it that although the navdata is not updated as frequently as with a navigraph subscription, the navdata will still have worldwide coverage? But the charts that are mentioned cover only North America. Correct? 

I find when using the TDS GTN750 my performance (frame rates) suffer, does anyone else see a big difference between the PMS and TDS units.

2 minutes ago, peter_737 said:

I find when using the TDS GTN750 my performance (frame rates) suffer, does anyone else see a big difference between the PMS and TDS units.

Have not seen that.. if anything, the TDS unit appears better..

7 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I have the TDS GTNXi and fly all over the world. I take it that although the navdata is not updated as frequently as with a navigraph subscription, the navdata will still have worldwide coverage? But the charts that are mentioned cover only North America. Correct? 

Correct..