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I'm swear I'm about to crawl out of my skin :)We had a lot of storms in the area and so I decided to unplug my FS computerand I figured I would just wait until FE X came out before I tookanother flight.When the delay was announced on friday I went ahead and did some flyingbut now I'm back to that waiting is good thing where if you deprive yourself of something, it just makes it all the more enjoyable (if you ever do that )but the waiting is killing me.I will continue to wait. (but I cant go more than a few days without a flight):-jumpy

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I know I saw some water screenshots yesterday and was completely amazed about what they are doing with water. I guess the water will be more in tune with the GEX portion of their product. I really don't know how they are going to their products really. I think they are going to offer FEX + Weather package as one product, and GEX as another product. In addition to this, you will have a choice to buy FEX+Weather Package+GEX in one bundle, and they will all be integrated.I really wish they would get up a website and inform people what their intentions are as far as their product line is concerned. It really looks like a promising product when you do see bits and pieces of it scattered throughout the internet at various sites.

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I have seen a preview and it FEX is great!!! The clouds are so realistic you think you are flying in a real aircraft. The water looks so good you want to jump into it. It puts all other cloud and water program to shame. If you are thinking about buying a program that includes clouds and water wait for FEX. I have flown it and I love it. DaveFEX Beta tester

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Appreciate the obvious enthusiasm, Dave!I imagine the interface and greater functionality will be somewhat different from HiFi's ASX/ASG - but how much more "realistic" could the FEX clouds be when comparing with ASX clouds? With all due respect to Chris Norris, Peter Wilding and the FEX team - the team of Chris, Damian, Jim Skorna, of HiFi Sim are "not exactly amateurs" when it comes to producing and supporting realistic clouds. Their products and their unwavering devotion to the sim world - both in the early days of free addons - and more recently with their FS9 ActiveSky and ASX addons - are certainly nothing to be ashamed of, and only time will tell whether, or even IF there's a difference. It will be pretty subjective at best. I'm looking forward to the new FE/GEX release, and will buy it, sight unseen, as I know it will do for FSX what it did for FS9. One thing's for sure - there will be lots of opinion and discussion! :-)

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Yep, very impatient for FEX over here. Those water shots are amazing. Going to get it for sure. Been using it in FS9 since last year and it's fantastic.But GEX is the one I'm really looking forward to. That's going to be the foundation of my FSX Silver Bullet.

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lolwow, ok, even my wife said it looked very realistic...got your glasses on?;)to each his own I spose...

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Well, Ryan; I think Andre was referring to the nice, pillow, slightly hard-edged cumulus which you can see building in the center of the cloud mass: it's out of place; it doesn't belong with the smudgy, very wind-blown darker clouds around it: also the perspective looks wrong - it's as if there's three separate wind-masses blowing out of a central spot somewhere behind the (I think) Twin Comanche. For me - it's not an issue - all the shots look great - but no better or no worse than ActiveSky X. Where this one scores, I think, is with the water. FSX's water texture is either exactly as in FS9, or you need to be at water level next to a floatplane to get an appreciation of "realness". At 1200ft this same (2X and above) is exactly the same texture on the lake, on the shore, in the estuary, up the river - or up the creek! AND anything over a "one" is a frame killer - so any improvement here from GE will be a bonus.These GE water shots speak for themselves: they look pretty darned good, don't they, and Chris Norris's article has sold me on their ability to create a top-notch product. I'm looking forward to it. . . . with my new glasses, of course. . . but they're not rose-colored. . . :-beerchug

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Better give everyone a heads up about people criticizing FEX screenshots. This is payback for when Peter Wilding jumped in on a thread shortly after ASX was released and started criticizing some of their cloud textures. This made many people angry, and AVSIM actually deleted the thread a few days into it. I know about this thread because I am the one who started it. Many people thought that Peter Wilding was trying to take the steam out of ASX's newly released software, and they didn't like it.Anyway, there are going to be people jumping in and saying that FEX clouds don't look good in order to pay him back. Yeah, right. Everyone knows the clouds that have been shown so far look absolutely incredible. I am not going to say which is better (ASX or FEX) because I don't know. I have not seen many cloud screenshots from FEX yet. I have also only seen a couple from ASX. The screenshots I have seen look great. I will say this though, Flight Environment blew Active Sky's clouds out of the running in FS9, but this may have been due to the fact Active Sky didn't put a ton of effort into their clouds in FS9. Only time will tell.As far as the water, there were some screenshots released a few days ago that I found in a Google search. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It looked as real as it could be. In the same thread I was reading, they were talking about how you are going to be able to adjust nearly anything and everything you want. Water color, wave height, tint of the color, inland water can be adjusted seperately from ocean water, ect..... It really sounds like an interesting program.

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Been so busy moving house I completely missed this until now, it does look good.Any word on a release date and price?

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Question: Will FEX take care of the cloud "sheets" that intermittently appear in FSX default scenery/clouds. These are the ones that are the 1st layer you see that look flat and have the lower mountain peaks going in and out. Do you know what I'm referring to here? Stan

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>Anyway, there are going to be people jumping in and saying>that FEX clouds don't look good in order to pay him back. I won't be one of them - I think their clouds look phenomenal, their water also looks exceptionally good. And, btw, I was one of those 'angry' people in the thread that got deleted - but I think the criticism was warranted. It is unethical and in bad taste for someone with a financial stake in a product to criticize competition in this forum. Not even that - outright promotion should not happen here either. And these rules have been pretty much obeyed, they should be obeyed.Michael J.http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9320/apollo17vf7.jpg

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>These GE water shots speak for themselves: they look pretty>darned good, don't they, and Chris Norris's article has sold>me on their ability to create a top-notch product.>> I'm looking forward to it. . . . with my new glasses, of>course. . . but they're not rose-colored. . . >>:-beerchug>Thank you Paul that's exactly what I'm seeing an unatural photo graphical cloud amongst a lot of other stuff..It must look realistic and blend in to the rest that's all But I have high standards for myself and it's my opinion the water is another story just great stuff ;-)Peter did great work with the FS9 version which I have from the start :-)But if you think that looks real fine by me but then again you don't have seen anything yet what can be done :-) (DX10 :9 ) nothing to do with another program :-bla just default FSX with DX10 hehehe...Just another opinion with graphical glasses and just with an unbiased objective view at things :-lolHave fun guys curious how this one will turn out and maybe I end up with the second version too...Cheers,Andr

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>Well, Ryan; I think Andre was referring to the nice, pillow,>slightly hard-edged cumulus which you can see building in the>center of the cloud mass: it's out of place; Sorry, but I find this comment very ill-informed (referring to Andre's original observation). Anybody who did some flying among the clouds would tell you there is nothing out of place here, the real atmospherics can even be more startling and surprising by having hard and soft-edges clouds in not too distant proximity, specially at different altitudes. Also depending on the distance at which you look at the clouds the same cloud may appear more or less wispy - the closer you are the more wispy it may look and we are looking in this picture at clouds at vastly different distances. I think it is very unfair to anyone who is trying to model weather inside FS which is not easy to adhere to some kind of 'standards' that even don't exist in nature. I think these are very fine looking clouds.Michael J.http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/9320/apollo17vf7.jpg

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>Sorry, but I find this comment ridiculous and nonsensical>(referring to Andre's original observation). Anybody who did>some flying among the clouds would tell you there is nothing>out of place here, the real atmospherics can even be moreIt's hard nowadays to have an opinion which is different to get flamed by :-lolHave fun Michael it's still my observation and opinion and you are the first in a long time to call that ridiculous and nonsensical...If you dis agree fine by me it's all in the eye of the beholder...Have fun in whatever clouds you fly man it's just a little game ;-)Cheers,Andr

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>are the first in a long time to call that ridiculous and>nonsensical...I apologize for using too harsh words. I have since edited my statement.Michael J.

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Yes, I agree and remember that thread as well. I thought it was in very bad taste although I don't beleive it started out that way on purpose. As a user of the ASv6.5 and GE-Pro2 intgrated-addons in FS9, I was quite bummed to learn of their separation. Now here we are, this or that addon... Can't all the addons just get along? LOL... :-samurai

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"Flight Environment blew Active Sky's clouds out of the running in FS9, but this may have been due to the fact Active Sky didn't put a ton of effort into their clouds in FS9."You must be joking!! I very much doubt Chris Willis will be impressed by that statement, nor am I.Mike

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As far as my comment:"Flight Environment blew Active Sky's clouds out of the running in FS9, but this may have been due to the fact Active Sky didn't put a ton of effort into their clouds in FS9."What I was trying to say was that the major focus of the Active Sky software for FS9 was the weather program itself, not the sky graphics. They sky graphics just came with the program as a very nice touch. The clouds were fine, but they are not what made that software program what it was. The weather generator itself was the focus. I was not trying to put the clouds down, or anybodies work on them. In fact, I used them regularly for several months. They were nice clouds.However, I must add, when "Flight Environment" was released, the Active Sky clouds were completely forgotten about. Everybody wanted Flight Environment skies and clouds instead. Many people, like myself, were willing to spend an additional $30 bucks or more to buy the Flight Environment clouds/skies software to run with our Active Sky software that we already owned. We were willing to do this even though the Active Sky program already had a cloud texture package built in. It became very important, at the time, for the Active Sky people to make Flight Environment clouds/skies compatible with their software. Many of us ran the Active Sky software with the built-in Active Sky clouds disabled and the Flight Environment clouds running in all their glory. It was what many preferred. And then when Ground Environment came out, it was all over at that point.My personal opinion about Flight Environment vs. Active Sky Clouds in FS9 was that Flight Environment was off the charts as far as realism is concerned. There were times I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. Very realistic. I never got that feeling with the Active Sky clouds. That is a personal opinion.But, I admit that my chosen words could easily be interpreted as if I was putting down the clouds in Active Sky. For this I do apologize. That was not my intentions at all. I can see now that the Active Sky people are putting quite a bit more effort into their cloud textures because they are even offering it as a separate product which says alot. We will see what happens when FEX/GEX get released in the near future.

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The cloud sheets you mention are due to the cumulus overcast03.bmp which serves two purposes in FSX.First it's the haze layer (the sheets). This haze layer also serves to help fill the hole in the clouds as you climb through them. On the down side the way it meets mountains and even taller buildings look terrible. You can fix this by making the overcast03.bmp layer transparent or with a smaller less dense cloud on it. However, there is a major down side.The second purpose of the overcast03.bmp is to make the cirrus overcast look really overcast and it's the most dense and truly overcast cirrus you'll ever seen in either FS9 or FSX. Microsoft probably made a mistake using this one tile do both jobs. Fix one and you'll break the other as a result.So yes, you can remove the sheets but then when it's overcast it won't look overcast.There were various fixes in FS9 and the net result was a lot of people were complaining about the hole in clouds in FS9. They did this fix because they and the people making the fixes did not appreciate what the fix broke......Be careful what you ask for,

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"However, I must add, when "Flight Environment" was released, the Active Sky clouds were completely forgotten about. Everybody wanted Flight Environment skies and clouds instead.""And then when Ground Environment came out, it was all over at that point."Are these quotes based on fact or your opinion?Would you be surprised that some prefer AS clouds over FE clouds?Would you be surprised to know that some purchase ASv6 based on the environmental textures, even after FE was released?Jimhttp://www.hifisim.com/banners/hifi-community-sigbanner.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/

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Jim - Jim - Jim!! Most of us know you have just as many loyal supporters as Peter and his friends. . . you don't have to get suckered into a pointless discussion vis-a-vis the merits of one set of clouds against another. Your product and it's reputation, and your personal devotion in the support of Active Sky in these forums is at the peak of "professional excellence". You don't need to defend it. My friend - sit back down, grab a beer and just smile . . .:-beerchug

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