12 minutes ago, Dermot McClusky said:

Lol, I'm just imagining a 777 rolling along the terminal with the Captain squinting out the window trying to find his gate!

That's pretty much how it is in military aviation. At times you do have a follow me on base lol. But when you start flying into civil airports, it gets interesting. They will usually park an aircraft like the KC-10 in interesting locations that are not identified on the chart. Especially when you are new and overseas trying to adjust to different accents. My first time into Paris(De Gaulle), I slow rolled on the runway and told the FE and CO to clean everything up on the runway quickly. I know that breaks protocol, but I wanted everyone's eyes out side watching taxiways and keeping up with the diagram/taxi routing. I mean, you are safest on the runway because it is strictly controlled🤣. 

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by G550flyer

4 minutes ago, G550flyer said:

That's pretty much how it is in military aviation. 

Totally makes sense when you put it into context, but pretty funny to think about. I appreciate the real world insight!

 

Using FSLTL since SU11 I seem to have planes at the airports but no traffic in the air 

2 hours ago, cianpars said:

Using FSLTL since SU11 I seem to have planes at the airports but no traffic in the air 

 How are you measuring that you don't have traffic in the air? 

Edited November 16, 20223 yr by Dave_YVR

2 hours ago, cianpars said:

Using FSLTL since SU11 I seem to have planes at the airports but no traffic in the air 

Interesting, I did a flight yesterday Tuesday 15th from KJFK to KORD using FSLTL and their injector. KJFK had very bad weather less then 0.25-mile visibility (way below minimums) and I could hardly see the taxiway in front of me as I taxied to the runway, Now, I didn't see any planes landing and thought the injector was working fine (real-time) since no aircrafts would be cleared to land with such low visibility condition.

Now when I landed at KORD (which had fair conditions) I actually saw 2 aircrafts landing shortly after I did and quite a few in the air. To me that was suggest it was actually working or maybe it a fluke😄 it happens.

Now, I haven't tired FSLTL with the MSFS default Live traffic since SU11 update, I will give it a try a few times (less the FSLTL injector of course) to see if I notice any issues.

 

Cheers.

Forshaw.

2 hours ago, forshaw said:

KJFK had very bad weather less then 0.25-mile visibility (way below minimums) and I could hardly see the taxiway in front of me as I taxied to the runway, Now, I didn't see any planes landing and thought the injector was working fine (real-time) since no aircrafts would be cleared to land with such low visibility condition.

IRL, they'd still land using Cat II/III ILS and low visibility procedures to taxi to 500' RVR's I believe. In the sim they'd also still land as the AI engine as well as the in game ATC  has no idea what low ceilings or fog even is 

Edited November 17, 20223 yr by Dave_YVR

8 hours ago, cianpars said:

Using FSLTL since SU11 I seem to have planes at the airports but no traffic in the air 

Same here. Loaded in at EGLL and waited a good 10 minutes at the gate. Didn’t see a single landing or take off. 

11 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

 How are you measuring that you don't have traffic in the air? 

Not seeing any landings and take offs and not hearing any other aircraft talking to ATC.  Plenty of planes on the airport ramps though.

15 hours ago, Dave_YVR said:

I believe. In the sim they'd also still land as the AI engine as well as the in game ATC  has no idea what low ceilings or fog even is 

You are absolutely correct if I am using the AI engine and the in game ATC which I wasn't. I am using FSLTL and their live Injection process so it's actual traffic in the area at that time (well within 5 mins I think😅)

Cheers.

Forshaw. 

1 hour ago, forshaw said:

I am using FSLTL and their live Injection process so it's actual traffic in the area at that time

It is live to a degree, but it's still the ai engine of the sim that puts them on approach to what ever runway it wants and ignores weather limits etc.

 

9 hours ago, cianpars said:

Not seeing any landings and take offs and not hearing any other aircraft talking to ATC.

 The not hearing them on in game ATC could also be from them not using the right frequencies, it's common for there to be numerous tower and ground frequency options at large airports. Check using LNM or AI Companion that shows what ai is actually around you. 

 Here's an image overhead Denver using FSLTL. There's only about 20 aircraft in the air keeping in mind that I had set only 100 IFR so if I had set a much higher number then you would have a much larger number of aircraft airborne. 
 Not nearly as good as PSXT imo, but still pretty good considering the cost. 

Edited November 17, 20223 yr by Dave_YVR

Well folks, I called my self doing a soft re-install, but tried to be lazy by renaming the one store folder instead of moving it else where. Well, when I uninstalled it, it took everything with it in the directory🤣. I forgot to move the community folder as well. See what happens when you are rushing🤣. A 2 minute soft re-install turned into an all nighter full install. But, on a good note, it cleaned out a lot of junk and I'm only adding things that I actually use. Plus, the online traffic is working again, go figure. I still owe RobJC a test flight.

Here's an interesting comparison at Denver.

 FSLTL with traffic parked where ever they want as well as 2 Speedbirds and a Lufthansa and then using PSXT with traffic parked where they do irl and no BA or LH as they shouldn't be there yet, both are still a couple hours from arrival. BA should also be a single B78X and not 2 B772's.

1 hour ago, forshaw said:

You are absolutely correct if I am using the AI engine and the in game ATC which I wasn't. I am using FSLTL and their live Injection process so it's actual traffic in the area at that time (well within 5 mins I think😅)

I have always wondered about traffic injectors.We definitely need programs that inject traffic and control them through ATC. That would be about as realistic as it get. I'm going to test FSHud to see how well it controls the traffic it injects and I.

On 11/16/2022 at 9:43 PM, Dermot McClusky said:

Lol, I'm just imagining a 777 rolling along the terminal with the Captain squinting out the window trying to find his gate! (I know that's not really happening w/ commercial airliners, but still funny to think about).

I actually just started subbing to navigraph very recently (love having everything at my fingertips!), but I keep forgetting to pin the airport gate chart ahead of time, so I end up fumbling around trying to find it while trying to follow the taxi instructions. I've caused a lot of chaos at some pretty major airports.

I suggest using it on a separate device, like a tablet or even smartphone. Feels more realistic too.

 

On 11/16/2022 at 8:45 AM, Noel said:

Rick I've had RT Online Traffic since SU11 but have turned it off as it's having a significant impact on stuttering.

So I gave FSHud a spin since I never use it. I found some interesting things about it. A good point is that you can have the RT Online traffic turned totally off. The program injects it's own traffic with the choice of using the BGL, AIG or both. Once it injects traffic levels based on your settings, it actually flies them. This gives it full control over the AI traffic. It knows where they are going and controls the flow like ATC does. That I love because you and the AI are treated the same. Now, this does come at some cost. Because the program has to fly each injected aircraft, it uses a little more CPU power. That I accept because I hate when I have flown that perfect approach just to have some rude AI traffic literally cut me off. Those situations led me to believe that injected real world traffic doesn't give you a real world experience unless you are just watching. Maybe a current snap shot and then inject controllable traffic based on that. Well, that was just one flight and I will try it with my trusty maddog and report back again.