15 hours ago, Stoopy said:

For me the headache is from the overuse of an (intended) emotionally stirring yet generic orchestral soundtrack slowly building in volume and tension...

 

So true. This has become a real pain in videos. Its like no one can upload even a reel without overlaying some "emotional" soundtrack. Let us hear the original sounds.

Its utter blasphemy when even pilot youtubers do this. We want t hear PT6, CFM56 etc. not a power ballad or soaring orchestra.

In fact if i come across a video without a music soundtrack I always make sure I comment thanking the uploader.

30 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

It doesn't surprise me how some people can turn this into a negative and overly analytical thread over something that is supposed to be simple, uplifting and, harmless.
It isn't even an 'Avsim' thing (as some people say), it is just a people thing these days.

Some people just like whinging and raining on someone else's parade for the hell of it, when the funny thing is, they haven't produced anything like this themselves and probably couldn't.  I used to think 'what is their problem?', but these days I can't be bothered to be honest - it's just people.  

I don't entirely agree with you (what are friends  and forums for ?). When I was doodling sceneries or videos some years ago, I'd rather have somebody pointing out what I could have done better than a litany of compliments. Don't make me wrong I appreciate a kind word like anybody else except when it becomes a ritual without any substance. Screenshot forums are  good examples of the latter.

I know there is a lot of work behind the clip and I salute that but, honestly, I gave up watching this one long before the end. The guy has talents but no discipline, maybe telling him what could be better would help (a genuine not a rhetorical question) ?

20 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

I don't entirely agree with you (what are friends  and forums for ?). When I was doodling sceneries or videos some years ago, I'd rather have somebody pointing out what I could have done better than a litany of compliments. Don't make me wrong I appreciate a kind word like anybody else except when it becomes a ritual without any substance. Screenshot forums are  good examples of the latter.

I know there is a lot of work behind the clip and I salute that but, honestly, I gave up watching this one long before the end. The guy has talents but no discipline, maybe telling him what could be better would help (a genuine not a rhetorical question) ?

Sure.  Constructive criticism is good of course, but some of it in this thread isn't constructive.   

Also, if they feel strongly about it, it might be better for them to offer the feedback to the chap (Cpt. White Knight) in his YouTube channel thread for the actual video, or the chap might not see it.

Edited February 10, 20233 yr by bobcat999

18 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Sure.  Constructive criticism is good of course, but some of it in this thread isn't constructive.   

 

I agree. We must realize that this video was plainly and simply an artistic interpretation of the creators view of MSFS.  The monumentality of the composition, the subtle modelling of forms, and the atmospheric illusionism.....oh wait, that was the Mona Lisa but the point is why should we criticize this creators efforts at the illusion of flight in MFSF any more than Leonardo's subject's mysterious smile? No I'm not trying to seriously compare the two but rather just to point out that art is art and is inspired by the thoughts, experiences, feelings, expressions and ability of the artist all of which belongs to them, not us.  They share it with us in the hope some souls find a kindred liking in it. But if you don't, then any criticism can't really be constructive. So just move on.  Gee, there are millions of videos far more worthy of criticism that this one,  if one ever felt so inclined. 

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by Lord Farringdon

23 minutes ago, Lord Farringdon said:

I . But if you don't, then any criticism can't really be constructive. So just move on.   

You want to eliminate an old profession : Art criticism  😄 ? 

1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

You want to eliminate an old profession : Art criticism  😄 ? 

Hi Dominique,

Art Criticism is indeed an old profession and of course it still continues strongly today as your reference states:  "Art critics today work not only in print media and in specialist art magazines as well as newspapers. Art critics appear also on the internet, TV, and radio, as well as in museums and galleries.^[1][84] Many are also employed in universities or as art educators for museums. Art critics curate exhibitions and are frequently employed to write exhibition catalogues."

But the negativity in this thread towards the creator's video is not based on professional Art Criticism. It is simply unqualified opinion, free to have of course but to what end?  Other than for individuals to moan about their own personal dislikes such as the type of music played and to find someway to challenge the video artist on this? That makes no sense to me. That is not Art Criticism, it's not informative as to the genre and it's not going to change anything this artist does except maybe make them consider twice before positing any more tantalizing videos on this forum in the future.  Instead of looking at our own likes and dislikes when something is presented to us, we should look with positivity toward people who express their enthusiasm for our hobby in this or any manner, even if we don't necessarily agree with the format, structure, the method or the technical proficiency.  In due course it can only help increase our following. IMHO.    

Cheers

Terry.

Edit, it wasn't the artist that posted on this forum, it was the OP who saw it on a Discord channel. Many have 'reacted' to the post though. 

  

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by Lord Farringdon

On 2/10/2023 at 12:38 AM, bobcat999 said:

No, only if you buy it from the marketplace.  You can have the loadouts if you buy it from the creator or other third party stores.  This is the same for all aircraft.  Marketplace = no weapons due to Microsoft policy.

So, we will not be seeing Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator any time soon? You know, like the one they released a quarter of a century ago

1 hour ago, Lord Farringdon said:

, it wasn't the artist that posted on this forum, it was the OP who saw it on a Discord channel. Many have 'reacted' to the post though. 

 

Hi LF.  Yes I was the OP and no, I could not have said it any better than you did. 

Thanks,

-B

2 hours ago, Lord Farringdon said:

 

 It is simply unqualified opinion 

 

Hi Terry

I hesitate to prolong the conversation which is a bit off the topic of flight simulation. But there you go.

Is there such thing as a qualified opinion in art ? Any art criticism is subjective.  Should we refrain to be negative and  be positive all along ? The history of art if full of homeric battles based on subjectivity. 

As said above, I know how much work and intensity has been put in such a clip. A lot. Been there, done that. If you go public, you take the risk of people not liking it and saying it. Why not ?  

If you consider that a clip of that sort is art - and this is very debatable -  what is it all about ? Sending a warm message of how good the sim is by mixing content, smart editing and music with a constraint of having the viewer to stay till the end.  I didn't, I tried again before answering you, I can't. Slightly mawkish, a tiresome staccato editing tiring for the eyes and a muzak background. Purely subjective. I suppose that a younger adult new to this kind of clip can appreciate it more that that an old boomer who has seen so many things, good and bad.

The consensus ? MSFS is a great sim 😉 that we all agree.

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by Dominique_K

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

So, we will not be seeing Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator any time soon? You know, like the one they released a quarter of a century ago

They have no plans, and it won't fit in with Microsoft's anti-weapons / anti-war policy.  Best left to the likes of DCS and the IL-2 developments I think.  They are already well advanced for what they do.  

 

33 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

  it won't fit in with Microsoft's anti-weapons / anti-war policy.

the what 😁 ?

What I understand if that MS doesn't want to lose the general audience rating for MSFS but they are ready to let youngsters to merrily gut each other in specific games. They actually already do that with many titles. A MCFS would be OK if it is a separate product, I reckon. Not that I long for it by the way. 

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by Dominique_K

2 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

the what 😁 ?

What I understand if that MS doesn't want to lose the general audience rating for MSFS but they are ready to let youngsters to merrily gut each other in specific games. They actually already do that with many titles. A MCFS would be OK if it is a separate product, I reckon. Not that I long for it by the way. 

I stand corrected!  I should have just said anti-weapons policy in MSFS to avoid any controversy.  As you say, the age rating was mentioned by them before. 
The weapons ban is easily circumvented though if you purchase the jets direct from DC Designs / Just Flight etc.  
F-14, F-15, F-16, Harrier, all with weapons available to show off in the sim.  I bet you have all of those don't you Dominique? 

13 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

I stand corrected!  I should have just said anti-weapons policy in MSFS to avoid any controversy.  As you say, the age rating was mentioned by them before. 
The weapons ban is easily circumvented though if you purchase the jets direct from DC Designs / Just Flight etc.  
F-14, F-15, F-16, Harrier, all with weapons available to show off in the sim.  I bet you have all of those don't you Dominique? 

Some might say that I am the warmonger type all right but only in real life 😄. No, I don't have any of those, just the Corsair, the Spit',  G91 and F104 and I never (rarely)  load them with weapons. Showoff is a bit harsh as the weapon load would impact the aerodynamics but I am happy with a "naked" fighter.

Weaponry has no place in MSFS in my opinion. And Asobo has anyway many, many other things to do to improve the sim. Having a combat sim is whole new ball game. Even simulating the ballistics of WW2 guns  requires a lot of work . Not to say the complexity of modern aerial weaponry.

 

So, while we are at it .... what about this video then ...

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

Having a combat sim is whole new ball game. Even simulating the ballistics of WW2 guns  requires a lot of work . Not to say the complexity of modern aerial weaponry.

Very much agree.  I've long played a bit of both, and my mindset is completely different with each.  With MSFS (and predecessors) it's a mixture of experiencing/exploring the virtual world and the aircraft used to do so.  In combat sims I find it to be all about the goals/objectives, best using the tools available, while the environment is less important.  e.g. I preferred BMS Falcon to DCS because of the depth, despite the older graphics, though admittedly I've not tried either recently.

 

Oh, and as for the video - everyone's a critic!

Edited February 11, 20233 yr by JabbleWok