I built a new system (see sig), man what a difference it makes moving from 4770 to the new build, it is a giant leap for me after about 9 years, MSFS feels much different in a very positive way now. and yeah, I started using VR HP reverb G2 after some time on the shelf due to lack of power to enjoy what it does, happy guy here.

1 hour ago, cianpars said:

Even with a 5800X3D, RTX3080, 32 GB RAM and a 2TB NVME, I can't max out everything at 1440 with a lot of addon scenery.  I like to run with a LOD of 300 but sometimes need to reduce LOD below 200, buidings LOD below 150 and Render Scaling down to 90 with some payware airports and extensive addon photosceneries (especially when they have not been well optimised).

I just went to a 5800X3d with a 3070Ti, and I've got most settings between high and ultra, and the ones I don't run at ultra are the ones that I kinda couldn't see a difference with, like water waves.  But the one thing that I noticed really helped drop the stuttering at payware airports was, surprisingly, switching "use generic aircraft models (AI traffic) to on. Probably because those payware airports are usually large ones and there are a lot of airline liveries getting loaded in at once.

With that setting on, I was able to fly out of Flightbeam's KIAD and into KJFK without stuttering once anywhere, which is something I'd have never even attempted on my old rig.

 

 

8 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

Yeah, I think I can squeeze out very high settings at 1080p - and probably go to 1440p at high settings. There are videos of simmers using the cards at 4k with acceptable performance. 

Excepting Terrain LOD (that variable who's benefit:cost ratio is very poor) you will be on all Ultra no problem.  Do you have a Gsync screen?  If so and you aren't getting essentially flawlessly smooth performance everywhere in any plane PM me and can help you setup for fabulous performance.

4 hours ago, penta_a said:

I built a new system (see sig), man what a difference it makes moving from 4770 to the new build, it is a giant leap for me after about 9 years, MSFS feels much different in a very positive way now. and yeah, I started using VR HP reverb G2 after some time on the shelf due to lack of power to enjoy what it does, happy guy here.

Same here... Initially I bought the gpu with the waterblock... few days later the cpu and the waterblock to match a high spec gpu... today... I ordered the motherboard and faster ddr5... the good thing is that I don't have buyer remorse... LOL... this is my hobby...

The specs are similar to yours but using MSI stuff... i9 13900KS - MSI 4090 Suprim X - Corsair Dominator DDR5 7200MHz - MSI MEG Z790 Ace...

2 hours ago, Noel said:

Excepting Terrain LOD (that variable who's benefit:cost ratio is very poor) you will be on all Ultra no problem.  Do you have a Gsync screen?  If so and you aren't getting essentially flawlessly smooth performance everywhere in any plane PM me and can help you setup for fabulous performance.

Not who you directed this at but I also have a powerful system that still gets some stuttering even with good fps. Would a gsync monitor help solve that?

1 hour ago, sfgiants13 said:

Not who you directed this at but I also have a powerful system that still gets some stuttering even with good fps. Would a gsync monitor help solve that?

It really depends on the source of stuttering.  I mentioned that because the method I use to deliver fluid performance at modest frame rates requires a Gsync monitor to eliminate a screen tearing issue that happens w/ this method--but this method delivers ultra smooth performance, more than all others experimented with.  You might create a signature and include all system specs which will help folks respond to questions like this.

43 minutes ago, Noel said:

It really depends on the source of stuttering.  I mentioned that because the method I use to deliver fluid performance at modest frame rates requires a Gsync monitor to eliminate a screen tearing issue that happens w/ this method--but this method delivers ultra smooth performance, more than all others experimented with.  You might create a signature and include all system specs which will help folks respond to questions like this.

Thanks I did that.  I get great FPS in most scenarios but for some reason just can't eliminate stutters.  My settings are all on ultra but the terrain lod is dialed back to 250.

Is this everywhere, no matter which aircraft, or more just with highest demand scenarios?

38 minutes ago, Noel said:

Is this everywhere, no matter which aircraft, or more just with highest demand scenarios?

 

Everywhere.  I can get 100 FPS and there's still a bit of a stutter.

If you paid attention from gate to gate on a typical 2h flight how many instances of 'stuttering' do you think you would see?  Some addon ware is not optimized and can cause stuttering.  FBW's A320NX recently had regular stutters especially noticeable during taxi and turning.  It's been largely improved but still needs more optimization but it's decent for sure, just not perfect like PMDG 738 in this regard.  You make a good point that high FPS is only one element of total visual performance.  I discovered ultra low frame time variance is strongly correlated with perception of smooth animation, even at modest frame rates.  In PMDG 738 from gate to gate I will have maybe 0 to 2 instances of stuttering, and have this kind of ultra low FTV.  34FPS with ultra low FTV is perceived as fluid, and is stuttering free as well in this capture:

This is not to discount the value of high framerate, but it does demonstrate that ultra favorable performance can happen at modest framerates when optimally configured.

 

I don't have a G-sync monitor. And, to be honest, I spend as little time as possible "optimizing" the sim. For me, it's mostly "set it and forget it". As long as I get a solid 30fps with minimal stutters, I'm good. 

FPS and stutter are almost unrelated.

FPS is related to your PCs ability to consistently pump out the frames governed by processor type/speed and graphics chip.

Stutter is related to the ability to handle sudden demands, effected by a lot of things including network speed, VRAM, system ram, HDD speed.

One thing to watch is that you load the CPU and GPU equally so the in game FPS monitor flips between limited by GPU and limited by main thread. as If you let it sit predominant on GPU limited or CPU limited you can get stutter, it seems like the unused device sort of goes to sleep in some fashion and stutters as it has to wake up.

 

 

Well, as luck would have it, I was able to buy an affordable 1440p monitor, so we'll see....

It's about the same specs that I have, I run in 3440-1440p at Ultra except Terrain lod at 150 at 45-50 fps, but in special weather condition like dense fog I have to put down clouds settings a notch, and I feel no need to upgrade as long as I use a 3440-1440p monitor.

6 hours ago, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

FPS and stutter are almost unrelated.

FPS is related to your PCs ability to consistently pump out the frames governed by processor type/speed and graphics chip.

Stutter is related to the ability to handle sudden demands, effected by a lot of things including network speed, VRAM, system ram, HDD speed.

One thing to watch is that you load the CPU and GPU equally so the in game FPS monitor flips between limited by GPU and limited by main thread. as If you let it sit predominant on GPU limited or CPU limited you can get stutter, it seems like the unused device sort of goes to sleep in some fashion and stutters as it has to wake up.

 

 

For me my GPU has way less of a load than the CPU.  I have a 4090 and use DLSS quality because a lot of airports have really bad shimmering with TAA enabled.  Pretty much leaves me with little option to run up the GPU loads to match the CPU.